[quote]Let's put it in the perspective of the whole world, not just humans. Do you believe that everything that had to happen in order for life to exist was just a coincidence? [/quote] It could have been, I don't see how that would be a bad thing or make me question the validity of my point. I would like go hear more about this from your point of view. [quote]Everything around this world has a creator. I know it's not a great example but take a look at your phone. Computers, cars, dogs, cats etc. We manipulated to how we wanted everything I mentioned above.[/quote] Everything that we have evidence to have had a creator indeed has a creator (phones, cars etc.) So, if you are walking through the woods and find an IPhone, you know it has a creator for 2 reasons. 1: We have evidence of Iphones being created, 2: Iphones don't occur naturally. If you make the same analogy except instead of saying IPhone, you say tree. The analogy doesn't work. Why? Because trees do occur naturally, trees don't have evidence that they are made by a creator. [quote] I don't think know one will know the definite answer until we die. Until then, we can have these friendly debates.[/quote] True, we can always have friendly debates