so sick of people crying about pvp. this a real gamers game . its not for people who dont want to put the time in and get better. hmm last time i checked everyone can get a thorn ,its a bounty . i also find it funny that most of the best players in the crucible dont use the thorn.i [play the game for raids bountys poe , i would think that the crucible is a nice add on but far from the core of the game.why would you ruin pve for a small part prison of elders 35 is dam near impossible without any buffs, its hard enough.i used to love my suros, i cant use it anymore because of crybabys.what is bungie doing for the people who play the actual game ummm nothing .we eat it for the crucible. so sure take away the gally ,icebreaker, thorn,hawkmoon for the crybabys that are not skilled engough.