I'm just done with you guys. These poles are biased it's not funny. If you're making this seriously then at least let people share their own opinions instead of making everything in your favor. Now moving on to my point of view on grenades. Grenades are used very little in PvP because of their recharge time. At least not as much as weapons, because we pretty much have unlimited of those. Besides the fact that you say that thorn requires skill and grenades don't, I use both thorn and the sunsinger one. The thorn requires little to not skill while the grenade you have to aim and account for travel time and the arch of the travel. Your argument was by far the stupidest one I have ever read and I really hope you aren't serious. Besides, those don't even one shot like a lot of other grenades.