That is my point, they need to quit nerfing weapons. If all we are going to do is complain that weapons are OP with out having to learn how to counter or adapt and then bitch about nerfing weapons, people are not going to learn to stay alive. In this game many areas are not easy to deal with but, because people would rather bitch and ask for nerfs thinking that it will become easy with out learning how to stay alive just makes me think they should go play Tetris. As for your example about the suros, I have no problems using that even after the nerf and you check my stats, when I play PvP that is still my weapon and I still kill with it. I only pull my thorn out when I need to and it's more in a fighting fire with fire basis! You can nerf all you want but if someone is not willing to learn how to counter and adapt to weapons why should the vast majority pay because someone thinks it will be easier for them if weapons are nerfed and not willing to build the skill needed to compete?