I found a group that a person for a fresh Hard run at VoG. They were 4 34's and a 33. We made it all the way through to Atheon without a problem. No one knew what to do with the relic, they were blowing themselves up in the bubble, couldn't stay alive when not teleported, couldn't stay alive when teleported. Eventually I convinced them to kick 1 person and they did, then another got DC'd. I talked them into 4 manning it and talked them through it. On the 1st try we beat Atheon. At the end of it all I realized I was the only one with 300 or more weapon damage on all my weapons. Atheon has become a lost art