I began to notice how ineffective those weapons were as opposed to great teamwork. The biggest downer for these guys were the fact they had only one life per round. This forces you to play careful, something we have not seen in a conventional pvp match. I used red death and black hammer, had some success. But I found I had even more success with my vanquisher/ice breaker combo. Regardless of the weapons used though, my team was awesome and that is how you win.