I agree 100% It's a pvp beast. Crucible has however gotten extremely balanced with the loss going to auto rifles. If you are in a gun fight with any other premium primary gun. The vex is the only equal. You can win against thorn. Tlw, hawkmoon, mida, and timurs. Providing it's not a distance fight. Thorn and hm are distance weapons. They can't take tlw, or vex. Up close, but they'll wreck you from across the map. So choose your weapons according to play style, and map.