[quote]Well, not everyone has the time to play Iron Banner or play Destiny all week long. [/quote] Then they don't have the time to be carried through hard raids. It takes about 12-20 hours to get 32 on a character, that's ridiculous, 4-6 hours for the campaign if you don't suck, 4 hours farming for simple vanguard gear, 4-6 hours for crota's end farming for mats and pieces. [quote]What if they don't have the expansion?[/quote] Then simply, why are they complaining about exclusions crota hard mode? and they can still get 32 with IB gear if they wanted to. They can't participate anyways.