Joined in early November and by the time I got to a high enough level TDB was 2 weeks from release. In short, I've only completed VoG a handful of times. I believe only once or twice on hard. I have VoC and praedyths revenge. I try to convince my friends to run it with me. I think it's a little more fun than the Crota raid. When it comes to Atheon I think it requires much more teamwork than Crota. Everyone has an actual assignment as opposed to just sitting back rocketing Crota and hoping your sword bearer knows what he's doing.