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12/2/2014 12:57:34 AM
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so let me get this straight.
crucible players complain that the vex and PI too strong, they get nerfed in 3 days, and not rebuffed for 2 months.
crucible players complain that some cant get to lvl30 cause they dont do raid, so iron banner gets raid quality armor
fact is, bungie have pandered to the wants and needs of the crucible players too often, while the PvE players constantly get the shaft.
we ask for 1 thing about 1 bounty, and are totally ignored (at least it seems that way).
seems someone in particular is a little one eyed about the whole situation.
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A couple of things here first the vex and PI were unbalanced in crucible and needed to be balanced, did they go around doing it in the best way no, however after today's patch they buffed them back up to their glory in pve by making the vex the strongest gun in the game for pve and giving PI a bigger clip size again. Also with the iron banner gear yes it lets them get to light level 30 but it doesn't have the same abilities as the raid gear so raid gear is still better than the IB gear another reason why they gave players another way to get 30 light level gear was because of the RNG in the raid and having raiders complain about not getting gear to drop so the made an alternative way to get 30 gear, so it wasn't just from the pvp people complaining it was from pve players to.
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Weapon nerfs are a completely different kettle of fish as they provide a distinct imbalance in the game to those in the game luck enough to have them. Bungie want a variety of weapons to be viable in crucible, not just a few standout exotics. The Thorn bounty is the same level of difficulty for everyone. There is no imbalance. Certainly the crucible section will be easier for predominately PVP players, just like how the Xyor section will be easier for PVE players. Can only get arm/leg armour level 30 gear through Iron Banner. Therefore you need to raid at least once (and gotten lucky). Plus, this was more to cater for the Raid people who have played through a dozen times and still can't get that last bit of PVE gear, from my understanding.
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Sorry but in the crucible, NO ONE has the same level if skill. It's a typical bell curve across all players. So don't say that it's the same difficulty for all players cause that's horse shit.
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The requirement is the same. There's no imbalance. The level of difficulty is therefore the same. It might be harder for some people to do, but that doesn't mean it's more difficult, if you take my meaning. Based on your 0.47 K/D and assuming you use exclusively void weapons you'll still get it done in about 671 lives. Average 20 lives a game, 33 games, be done in around 8 hours. But I suspect you're letting your frustration get the better of you. Hell, camp with a void shotgun if you have to. What're you trying to do it with currently?
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Just because the requirement is the same doesn't mean the difficulty is the same. A player with a 0.47 kdr is going to find it.must more difficult than someone with a 1.25 kdr. Which is where the level if difficulty comes from. The skill difference between different players. And my kdr only went up when I started mixing void and non void weapons. Mainly cause the epilogue just wasn't killing fast enough. I have epilogue, praedyths revenge sniper, a void fusion, and truth all maxed and it doesn't help. There is too much cheese in the crucible for me. I go in with good intensions, and walk out cursing left and right. All it does is raise my blood pressure. Playing the game shouldn't be like that.
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Agree to disagree then. Everyone's playing against the same player base and so as far as I'm concerned the difficulty is the same. Obviously a better player is going to have an easier time, but that's the same for all aspects of the game, not just crucible. A couple of pieces of advice if you want to get the challenge done, noting that they won't win you any friends: camp corners with a void shotgun/fusion rifle, learn the heavy ammo spawns and play control, with the truth you should be able to get double/triple kills easily on control points. I haven't used epilogue in pvp but given it's low impact it's probably not worth while so just use your special like a primary. And if you're really struggling. Wait til you get the bounty on your Titan. Having no void grenades on the hunter hurts.
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You can't get to 30 with iron banner alone.
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Edited by Gizardpuke999: 12/2/2014 2:12:13 AMthey implemented all armor with max 30 light. so yeah you can, if you managed to get it all. from what i understand.
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There is only gauntlets and boots. No chest or helmet.
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Well according to your poll 72% of people are fine with it the way it is. So I'm not sure why you are talking about this like you have a mass following of people who feel the same way. (yes I'm aware the forum doesn't directly reflect the views of the entire gaming community).
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cause more people would like a change with this bounty than that which for the vex and PI nerfed, and that which lead to bungie putting raid quality gear in the iron banner. the crucible player base has proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that you dont need much to effect change. yet those same exact people, are happy to continue to see the players that dont want to enter the crucible, to be slapped down at every turn. even though we ask for less then the crucible players do. yet that same small percentage of players think this is acceptable...
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Who says that the 72% that think its fine aren't PVE players! For example I am not a crucible player. I only play for exotic bounties, iron banner, and the occasional game of control.
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then they've voted the way they want too... ??? not seeing the point of that argument...
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Because you are making it sound like the crucible players are what's the problem. I'm just saying that you don't know who is voting and who isn't. I would like to respectfully conclude my participation in this discussion. In light of your poll results it seems this is a pointless thread.
