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4/13/2025 3:51:37 AM
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It’s fine that it exists, but I don’t think we need another at its level again.
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The raid is honestly not that difficult once learn the mechanics. That being said only verity is difficult due to having to remember a guardians ghost and or cosmetics. Despite that it's still very fun to run, just finished teaching a few first timers last week and got them throughout a fresh run.
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Compared to other raids it’s definitely a step up. Encounters 1 and 3 aren’t push overs with the time constraints. You really don’t have many mess-ups. It also has a lot more strict gear requirement due to how tormentors function. Encounter 2 is a hard encounter in the grand scheme of things even on normal. A large part of that is how deadly the stasis psions are and how devastating a single death during setup can be. Encounter 4 is a pain in the @ss to teach. Witness isn’t super hard but so few people learned how to actually run that it just becomes a mess when you try to lfg. Plus there’s a 50/50 chance that whatever runner you do get from lfg will be an a-hole that dies a lot without even thinking about defending themselves.
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Edited by Killapete232: 4/16/2025 6:11:45 PMYeah nowadays players cheese witness and one phase with queensbreaker , and second encounter boss can be nuked with a divinity and Lord of wolves.
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I'd love another at the level. My only criticism is that the first 3 encounters are way too similar.
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Yes but I think we can all agree that despite how good the raid is, the level of difficulty imposed is not good for the long term health of the raid. Salvations Edge runs dropped off significantly earlier than any other raid and the raid was used by less people - therefore a worse return on investment. Maybe in a few years. But they nailed it with the difficulty on Crota. Mid-tier raids should be the most common
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Hence why I think Bungie should do something to get players that are intimidated by it into the raid. It’s by far one of the best raids they’ve ever released. For me the only one that even comes close is VoTD. I find most wipes aren’t caused by the timer and are still caused by revives. They could get rid of the timer entirely in normal mode to entice players to get into the raid.
