JavaScript is required to use Bungie.net

《天命2》

討論《天命2》的所有事情。
11/26/2020 10:39:42 AM
22

Stasis has officially ended PvP

This will most likely fall on deaf ears, but im writing it anyway. Ive always enjoyed occasionally jumping into the crucible, im a pretty average player, some days im fragging and sitting on the top of the scoreboard, other days im just taking a fat L every game. but im okay with that. <3 Ive always sort of known when there was a "good" player in the lobby ya know? like as soon as i see that red light across the map my head is missing XD.............. but As soon as beyond light came out i honestly cant see a difference anymore. sure theres still good players, but every round (((EVERY ROUND))) im just constantly angry, and im sure im not the only one that feels this. I feel like every 1V1 or ANY fight i end up in i ALWAYS XD and i mean ALWAYS lose because of stasis. not only is it the most heartbreaking thing to die to someone who is legit playing the game on smooth brain auto pilot mode, its even worse when you KNOW you would have won that gunfight. It just sorta hit me today, was playing a match and got my super for my titan, was running top tree void. 3 guys were on the point and i decided to go ahead and just pop the super (not the dome just the roaming one) and IMMEDIANTLY the hunter on point starts charging up his stasis super and i am SPAMMING the light attack on him knowing if i can just get ONE hit in ill be good. in the time it took for me to pop my super, run around the corner, and for the hunter to be in the starting animation for there super, the DUMB little warlock on point froze me with melee and popped me in the head. Death screen..... im just speechless. and this isnt a bash on warlocks, or titans, OR hunters! Its stasis freezing and the fact that it lets everyone have a get out of jail card on ALL THE TIME! the grenade=freeze melee=freeze the super=freeze every other game ive played with ANY stun mechanic its always come with a uno reverse card, your health is lower allowing you to die faster, or the stun has a huge cooldown and leaves you open, or the freeze takes time to trigger allowing the recipient to escape. CLICK=FREEZE Sorry for ranting and writing this illiterate book of nonsense, but im hoping this gets to someone who can fix it. I LOVE STASIS....... but only in PvE. Thank you and have a wonderful day.

文章張貼語言:

 

以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

  • 100%. Any man or his dog can be top errrr dog in crucible these days because of being able to freeze stop anyone else’s gameplay. Loadout means jack these days, doesn’t matter what armour or exotics you’ve got on, just freeze someone and finish them off with a blue, that’s the level pvp is at now unfortunately

    文章張貼語言:

     

    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

  • Played control last night...barely ever got frozen... I think there are just too many overly sensitive people that take destiny pvp way too serious. 🤷

    文章張貼語言:

     

    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

    3 回覆
    • Just play a different game for PvP.

      文章張貼語言:

       

      以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

    • I can see it being a problem in Trials (which I don’t play🤣) But in Iron Banner or quick play who cares? Just don’t take it seriously. Have fun👍🏻

      文章張貼語言:

       

      以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

    • I have a feeling the only people that really hate it are people that main shotguns and shoulder charge. It definitely punishes you if you run in a straight line at the enemy.... I save my melee for rushers or if I'm out numbered. You're gonna have to make smarter plays. I still don't think you should be able to freeze supers unless it's with a super though....but hey now you know how annoying suppressor grenades can be.

      文章張貼語言:

       

      以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

      8 回覆
      • Honestly I really hated it at first but I think I’m coming around to enjoying it. Crucible isn’t static (pun intended). It’s constantly changing with new metas and new broken builds. It’s been like this since day 1. I’ve long given up the idealistic idea of a balanced crucible. Since then, I’ve had more fun in crucible than I ever did when I actually still cared. It is what it is, and can be pretty fun if you let yourself have fun.

        文章張貼語言:

         

        以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

      • I'm going to start running monte carlo and the arms that gives me 2 melees on my Warlock and freeze everyone 😁 then t bag 😁

        文章張貼語言:

         

        以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

        2 回覆
        • Nah man, Stasis only counters people who have only love to use a shotgun and have no primary gunskill. People in this meta with Autos nerfed and Stasis added people are actually using Handcannons, Pulses and Scouts. You need to change your playstyle, Stasis is actually balanced now after the adjustments.

          文章張貼語言:

           

          以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

          3 回覆
          • Yup just another thing in the game that is fine for pve but ruins and unbalances pvp. Pvp never should have been put into this game. So many exotics and builds and different weapons in the game that are perfectly fine in raids or dungeons or strikes and stuff like that but once you go into pvp it's nothing but a cheap unfair crutch that loser sweat lords like to troll around with (jotunn, all snipers, all shotguns, seriously guys you are not good if all you use is energy weapons) or that streamers like to use for videos. One example is empowered light mod builds, they are pretty awesome in pve but brake pvp allowing you to get insane ttks of like 0.4 or 0.3 seconds. Stasis is fine in pve but like you said and like tons of other ppl have said it ruins pvp. Pvp was always unbalanced in this game but now crucible is just dumb, irritating, pointless and even more unbalanced. The only good thing that came from stasis in pvp is at least now I don't have to worry about blade dancer hunters dominating and going invisible every single match.

            文章張貼語言:

             

            以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

          • To be honest, I don't see the issue with stasis. Personally I don't get frozen that often; the grenades are all fairly easy to counter or in the case of the wall, never land anyway. Hunter melee is an auto-win in a primary gunfight but is difficult to land, Warlock melee usually gets followed up by a shotgun so it doesn't feel all that different from getting shotgunned normally, and Titan melee... is honestly just really funny. I can't be mad dying to Titan stasis melee. Supers meanwhile aren't really stopped that effectively by stasis. If you have a roaming super active the freeze falls off you before the Warlock's even put away their staff. And if you get frozen out of super you can just pop super to escape. Titan bubbles are only stopped by the roaming stasis supers, or specifically the Titan melee as that is very quick and launches the bubble boi outside the bubble. TL;DR: I like the stasis sandbox. It's more interesting than getting sniped and shotgunned twenty times a match.

            文章張貼語言:

             

            以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

          • I gave the old ahmakara/monte Carlo combo a try yesterday and I’ve got to say the nerf to warlocks wasn’t as detrimental as everyone thinks (that’s a nice way of saying stasis is extremely overpowered if set up to use only stasis) however those who were high level players will always find a way to stomp you they don’t need to freeze you down for that crispy headshot!

            文章張貼語言:

             

            以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

            1 回覆
            • Getting frozen is an instant death sentence. Remember when they nerfed Fusion grenades? Same problem. Except that the melee, the grenade, and the super all end opponent supers with ease, and result in an easy kill. Getting frozen every time you pop around a corner is extremely frustrating. You can't freeze bosses; they only get slowed. Why can't stasis work like that on guardians? Or at least on guardians in their supers? And to those that argue for adaptation: I generally agree, unless it makes normal thing no longer viable. People should mostly get to play what they want. And it's unreasonable to think it's possible for everyone to adapt strategies such that they all never get frozen again.

              文章張貼語言:

               

              以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

              1 回覆
              • Why not start by not making a post complaining about stasis and learn to counter stasis? Cammycakes literally has a video of countering stasis, why not watch that and not make a forum post about it?

                文章張貼語言:

                 

                以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                5 回覆
                • You should rephrase that as. "Stasis ruined PVP ...for people who crutch on 1 single strategy" Like shotgunners and snipers. Every other player eaily plays around stasis. Only shotgunners get hard countered by it.

                  文章張貼語言:

                   

                  以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                  2 回覆
                  • Good. Maybe Bungie will finally kill it completely.

                    文章張貼語言:

                     

                    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                  • Crucible has Ended?? 🤔 Just checked, Crucible has not Ended. Guess you got misinformed.

                    文章張貼語言:

                     

                    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                  • [quote]This will most likely fall on deaf ears, but im writing it anyway. Ive always enjoyed occasionally jumping into the crucible, im a pretty average player, some days im fragging and sitting on the top of the scoreboard, other days im just taking a fat L every game. but im okay with that. <3 Ive always sort of known when there was a "good" player in the lobby ya know? like as soon as i see that red light across the map my head is missing XD.............. but As soon as beyond light came out i honestly cant see a difference anymore. sure theres still good players, but every round (((EVERY ROUND))) im just constantly angry, and im sure im not the only one that feels this. I feel like every 1V1 or ANY fight i end up in i ALWAYS XD and i mean ALWAYS lose because of stasis. not only is it the most heartbreaking thing to die to someone who is legit playing the game on smooth brain auto pilot mode, its even worse when you KNOW you would have won that gunfight. It just sorta hit me today, was playing a match and got my super for my titan, was running top tree void. 3 guys were on the point and i decided to go ahead and just pop the super (not the dome just the roaming one) and IMMEDIANTLY the hunter on point starts charging up his stasis super and i am SPAMMING the light attack on him knowing if i can just get ONE hit in ill be good. in the time it took for me to pop my super, run around the corner, and for the hunter to be in the starting animation for there super, the DUMB little warlock on point froze me with melee and popped me in the head. Death screen..... im just speechless. and this isnt a bash on warlocks, or titans, OR hunters! Its stasis freezing and the fact that it lets everyone have a get out of jail card on ALL THE TIME! the grenade=freeze melee=freeze the super=freeze every other game ive played with ANY stun mechanic its always come with a uno reverse card, your health is lower allowing you to die faster, or the stun has a huge cooldown and leaves you open, or the freeze takes time to trigger allowing the recipient to escape. CLICK=FREEZE Sorry for ranting and writing this illiterate book of nonsense, but im hoping this gets to someone who can fix it. I LOVE STASIS....... but only in PvE. Thank you and have a wonderful day.[/quote] Anyone who thinks this is ok in pvp are the same people who thought a 180 handcannon 3 tapping supers from 100 yards was earned kill but they thought redrix sucked when it came out. 6v6 is like playing in the alps. Whats even the point in suppression grenades when when melee and grenades do the same and better usually to a super. Guy can just suicide run your bubble and spam either ability and u lose. This must've been dreamed up by the same guy that conceived jotun. This game was better when when people had to use primary weapons and rely on skill, intelligence and good team play to do well. I love this game but it gets a bit worse every season. Good thing games out now are mediocre at best or d2'd be toast. I have to wonder if gametesters are even employed or just so scummy they thumbs up this crap because they'll be 1st ones out kd farming with it. Put most streamers in that boat too. This community is torn by simpleton aderol abusers, and people that love this game for what it rarely is but could be if bungie asked for input from more people (namely adults and generally people that don't read their stats regularly to scotch tape their self esteem). But hey we all speak with our wallets or parents credit card so everytime pre-order games or get excited about esthetic crap instead of actual content we bring it on ourselves. Oh wait, I do none of those things... damn u dumb sheep people.

                    文章張貼語言:

                     

                    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                  • Sounds like you got outplayed.

                    文章張貼語言:

                     

                    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                  • TLDR - waaaaahhhh I can't adapt 😭😭

                    文章張貼語言:

                     

                    以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                    13 回覆
                    • [quote]This will most likely fall on deaf ears, but im writing it anyway. Ive always enjoyed occasionally jumping into the crucible, im a pretty average player, some days im fragging and sitting on the top of the scoreboard, other days im just taking a fat L every game. but im okay with that. <3 Ive always sort of known when there was a "good" player in the lobby ya know? like as soon as i see that red light across the map my head is missing XD.............. but As soon as beyond light came out i honestly cant see a difference anymore. sure theres still good players, but every round (((EVERY ROUND))) im just constantly angry, and im sure im not the only one that feels this. I feel like every 1V1 or ANY fight i end up in i ALWAYS XD and i mean ALWAYS lose because of stasis. not only is it the most heartbreaking thing to die to someone who is legit playing the game on smooth brain auto pilot mode, its even worse when you KNOW you would have won that gunfight. It just sorta hit me today, was playing a match and got my super for my titan, was running top tree void. 3 guys were on the point and i decided to go ahead and just pop the super (not the dome just the roaming one) and IMMEDIANTLY the hunter on point starts charging up his stasis super and i am SPAMMING the light attack on him knowing if i can just get ONE hit in ill be good. in the time it took for me to pop my super, run around the corner, and for the hunter to be in the starting animation for there super, the DUMB little warlock on point froze me with melee and popped me in the head. Death screen..... im just speechless. and this isnt a bash on warlocks, or titans, OR hunters! Its stasis freezing and the fact that it lets everyone have a get out of jail card on ALL THE TIME! the grenade=freeze melee=freeze the super=freeze every other game ive played with ANY stun mechanic its always come with a uno reverse card, your health is lower allowing you to die faster, or the stun has a huge cooldown and leaves you open, or the freeze takes time to trigger allowing the recipient to escape. CLICK=FREEZE Sorry for ranting and writing this illiterate book of nonsense, but im hoping this gets to someone who can fix it. I LOVE STASIS....... but only in PvE. Thank you and have a wonderful day.[/quote] Anyone who thinks this is ok in pvp are the same people who thought a 180 handcannon 3 tapping supers from 100 yards was earned kill but they thought redrix sucked when it came out. 6v6 is like playing in the alps. Whats even the point in suppression grenades when when melee and grenades do the same and better usually to a super. Guy can just suicide run your bubble and spam either ability and u lose. This must've been dreamed up by the same guy that conceived jotun. This game was better when when people had to use primary weapons and rely on skill, intelligence and good team play to do well. I love this game but it gets a bit worse every season. Good thing games out now are mediocre at best or d2'd be toast. I have to wonder if gametesters are even employed or just so scummy they thumbs up this crap because they'll be 1st ones out kd farming with it. Put most streamers in that boat too. This community is torn by simpleton aderol abusers, and people that love this game for what it rarely is but could be if bungie asked for input from more people (namely adults and generally people that don't read their stats regularly to scotch tape their self esteem). But hey we all speak with our wallets or parents credit card so everytime pre-order games or get excited about esthetic crap instead of actual content we bring it on ourselves. Oh wait, I do none of those things... damn u dumb sheep people

                      文章張貼語言:

                       

                      以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                    • 由CrazyRaccoon456編輯: 11/26/2020 1:50:06 PM
                      OH stasis ended pvp I only have one word GOOD!

                      文章張貼語言:

                       

                      以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                    • Stasis sucks in PvP. I also don't like pvp any more.

                      文章張貼語言:

                       

                      以禮待人。發佈文章前請花點時間查看我們的行為準則 取消 編輯 創立火力戰隊 文章

                    你無權檢閱此內容
                    ;
                    preload icon
                    preload icon
                    preload icon