I understand how you feel but.... This game has always been a mixture of PVP and PVE. I believe there should be rewards in each area of the game. There should be gear thats obtained from: - PVP - PVE - Gambit -Both If you want all the gear in the game you have to play all aspects of the game or accept you wont get some of the gear. I loathe gambit but I either play it for the rewards or just give it a miss....

"I have no interest in getting better." That's just sad man. You want Thorn and The Last Word? They are by every definition and every bit of lore guardian killers. So, yeah. They're gonna have quest steps in the Crucible. Maybe there should be a longer, PvE alternative. Sure. But ditch the steps altogether? No. They aren't going to be handed to you. You should have to earn them. Earning means you just might have to take an interest in "getting better" so the next time a PvP quest becomes available, you can get it easier. And then the one after that even easier. And so on. The entire mindset of "I have no interest in getting better" is disgusting and childish to say the least. You would rather sit and scream on the forums than sit back and objectively ask yourself "Was there anything I could have done differently in that last engagement?" Guess what? The answer to that question 90+% of the time for ALL players is a resounding "Yes." This sense of entitlement is not something any company should have to cater to, and yet I'm afraid every company will.

Has anyone called a waaaambulance yet?

I finally just ‘noped’ out of Crucible with the Ace of Spades quest. Have 0 (zero) glory! Kinda sad not to have closure on Cayde’s departure but just don’t like pvp & there’s lots of other stuff to do. I know it’s important for a good portion of the playerbase so I don’t begrudge them their pinnacle stuff.

I want 1k but I don’t want to raid, waaaaaaaaaaaa! [spoiler]No one forces you to play crucible.[/spoiler]

If Bungie completely removed pvp from D3 it would be the best Destiny game ever by default.

I completely agree. Take Thorn for example. Roughly 2-5% depending on god knows what per match unless you get into a bad match in which you do not go up a point. So that’s roughly 45-50 matches for an average player. Meanwhile I’m getting smoked by Luna’s howls and other pvp bullshit. How come I’ve never here about pvp players having to do 50 strikes as part of their quest. I’m not saying they all need to be separated but how about a balance.

Why is being forced to do a raid for gear ok, but forced into pvp for gear wrong? It seems a little hypocritical. Serious question

Sooooooooo you can't be bothered to get better yet you complain about getting stomped, mate that is some 10/10 logic right there, keep living your life with that attitude and your gonna be a great success.

Here's my theory about why you get forced into Crucible. * When there was skill-based matchmaking in PvP, expert players regularly complained about "sweaty matches" and "just wanting to have fun" (TRANSLATION: "Just wanting to stomp on players who have no chance against me") * With "Forsaken", Bungie "accidentally" removed SBMM from PvP quickplay, and possibly from competitive as well (I've had some gruesome mismatches in both modes). * The results of this is that inexperienced PvP players, or players who suck because of slow reaction time or crap fine motor skills, get thrown in with expert players. The result for them is unpleasant and humiliating. Naturally, they want to avoid PvP afterward. * To keep the PvP sweats happy, they must have a steady supply of victims. * So, to ensure this supply of victims, Bungie ensures a steady supply of Crucible bounties, Crucible-heavy activities, and pinnacle weapons requiring Crucible play to get. * Long story short: Bungie's throwing your sorry butt to the wolves. I can't prove it, but I can't come up with any other theory that makes sense.

Since i neither have the desire to play or get better at PvE, Bungie can you cater to my snow flakiness and give me all PvE weapons in Crucible? K thx.

****maybe they could balance crucible and PvE separately, like players have been asking for for, I dunno, 5 years?****

I abjectly refuse to play PvP in any capacity in this game unless I have to for story line (ugh, Joker's Wild). My least favorite thing are the sweaties who play destiny's more competitive game type, but don't want the opponents to be too hard so they can "relax", which is just nomenclature for "face shitty players so they can stomp them and raise their k/d". When your PvP player base is so toxic they whine about facing one another, you know you built a flawed experience. Additionally, it's absurd that a whole subset of players thinks that a good way to "relax" is to power stomp lesser players and then criticize them for being lesser players. Some real King Joffrey looking jerks in the PvP community (not all, but many).

[quote]These are the reasons why I play PVP in Destiny - A quest forces me there in order to get a piece of desired gear. That's it. I perform terribly. I have no interest in getting better. It is nothing but a frustration to play that burns me out of playing Destiny 2 more than every other flaw in this game combined. I'm literally only there because a quest steps says "Get x amount of x kills in Crucible." Why? I'm a determent to any team that has me. I most certainly don't want to be there. I'm tilted pretty much every match. I'm not having a good time, and I'm just dragging people around me down. If you have exotics that you intend to be used in PvP. Make ALL their quests steps PvP orientated and/or flag it as a an intended Crucible weapon. If you intend on having weapons being used outside of Crucible, quit putting quest steps inside of it. It's a practice of extorting players to populate modes they don't enjoy simply because you need bodies there. Some of us just don't want to play it, and you're punishing us for not wanting to by keeping highly desired pieces out of reach if we don't. It's just not enjoyable, as someone in who Destiny 2 is their first KB&M shooter to jump into crucible and face *insert meta hand cannon/Shotgun/Recluse here* when your quest says "Oh, yeah, go into Crucible with a (Void for Thorn) Hand Cannon and get multiple head-shots!" You're expecting me to compete against people who make it their only hobby to play this game, already behind in both skill and experience, and expect to do something HARDER than they are doing with a weapon that would be non-optimal in a balanced circumstance, against the like of weapons that allow them to kill me in 2-3 shots. It's not effort that's being tested at that point. It's tolerance. I'm sorry but somethings wrong here and I don't have an easy solution for you aside from a full separation of weapons into PvP and PvE categories - which very well may have to be your solution because Crucible balance is horrid. The solution here for me is to play another game, but that does not help you, Bungie. That just leaves you with another bitter unsatisfied customer that will remember that bitterness the next go around and will look for this particular issue to be resolved before buying into the next expansion or season pass. Please, take some serious time soul-searching what you want Crucible to be in your next iteration. Keep your quested exotics clearly defined to be in or out of Crucible entirely. Because it's not fun at all for us, and pulling us away from things we enjoy just to satisfy some arbitrary goalpost you created without following through to make it enjoyable or balanced is just souring the whole deal.[/quote] Then don't play PvP then you sook. Imagine not being good at something and instead of simply not playing it you advocate for it to be completely destroyed. Apply this logic to anything else and see how stupid it is. "Im not good at football so football should not be played" "I earn a bad salary so everyone else should earn a bad salary" Its just sour grapes gaming communism. People will always strive to be the best or the fastest or the strongest. Its human nature. Deal with it