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Edited by A Blues fan:
1/30/2018 10:14:29 PM
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This whole 'folklore' argument is a storm in a teacup
I can't believe I'm seeing hashtags abusing that female Marvel writer or the rude comments aimed at her personal twitter account. Some of you guys need to get a grip.
I've always taken the Grimoire about the weapons and/or past Guardians to be tales of legend passed on through time and am not surprised it turns out to not necessarily be 100% fact.
A definition (courtesy of google) of the term 'lore' is:
[quote]a body of traditions and knowledge on a subject or held by a particular group, typically passed from person to person by word of mouth[/quote]
and some synonyms are:
[quote]mythology, myths, legends, stories, traditions, [b][u]folklore[/u][/b], culture, beliefs, sayings, superstitions, fantasy, oral tradition[/quote]
I always held the lore forum members in high regard on this site due to their intelligent posts, but I feel they've let themselves down over this latest revelation.
I expect the Marvel writer was given the brief to write the story how they wanted, taking into account the Grimoire/lore, but being able to move away from it slightly if it hampered their ability to make a meaningful story/account work for this game.
Yet people are abusing her for it...?
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Edit: Just seen this tweet by Christopher Barrett
https://twitter.com/cgbarrett/status/957720810755469312?s=17
[quote]All that was meant - the entries in the Grimoire are written within the context of the game world by characters who might have individual opinions, perspective, or varying sources. They are bits of lore and legend.[/quote]
This seems entirely reasonable to me.
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Edit 2 (thanks Vrillz): Her apology:
[quote]Let me reassure you - we all agree destiny's lore is one of the great gifts of the universe & we don't ever want it to go away - if anything, we want to explore more & more of it in the future - huge apologies if my tweet last month (below) threw you off - not my intention![/quote]
https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168
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#destiny2
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24 RepliesEdited by Recon: 1/29/2018 10:27:38 PMShe's a SJW so -blam!- her
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5 RepliesI have not insulted this woman, nor do I post here often. To me, what she wrote, how she phrased it, combined with every character in destiny 2 acting as though the players character has never as much as even heard what the taken are, only make me feel even more disenfranchised. I suspect you will see quite a bit of the franchise disregarded as bungie attempts to “simplify” the story even more for the target audience they want to attract (the ones who throw down a hundred bucks play a game for a week, buy loot boxes, and move on until its time for the next expansion). I also suspect bungie could careless who you insult, or why you quit playing, because at the end of the day, every single person on these forums will be buying all the dlc.
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Edited by MC 077 Lasombra: 1/30/2018 7:23:46 AM[i]We[/i] call it lore but they don’t [i]in the game[/i] which is where people like you are missing the distinction. The majority of the grimoire is first hand accounts, quotes and log excepts. You think the Book of Sorrows is a -blam!-ing myth passed down through generations? It’s Oryxs first hand accounting of the Hive history that [i]we[/i] picked up and read. Rasputin’s cards are a myth? Tolands cards too?? What about the cards from the Ishtar and Clovis Bray? Folklore? Nope. No they are concrete, bias and incomplete information are the known variables in the lore. It’s a freaking retcon. Get over it and accept it. If you didn’t realize it with the Speaker then you’re being blind.
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While she did apologies and clarify what her tweet's intent was has no meaning. The fact that the LEAD WRITER for D2 finds the lore of the past so dismissible to the point that she worded a tweet incorrectly, is an insult to the community that put life into the lore in the first place. Make the excuse that everyone makes mistakes all you want, however there are only so many mistakes you can make before you need to be made an example out of. There are soooo many references, rules, and procedures to basic writing she has either left out or completely disregarded in the entirety of D2's story. I don't care if she worked for Marvel, and if I didn't know any better, I'd say that there is an obvious reason why she doesn't work there anymore. What people need to understand, both on the offensive and defensive of this issue, is that this argument has nothing to do with the tweet, but the writer behind it. Which if you haven't guessed by now, she's a bad one.
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1 ReplyYes, being the very one and single only women ever that this forum has been in an uproar should most certainly give her a pass for her shitty choice of words, as a writer... I find it far more degrading to narrow her down to just being a woman, as you have, than to tear apart, humorously enough, a writers words. In fact a writer for the story of the forums you are frequenting.
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2 RepliesOr it's bacon in a teacup. Because everybody loves"baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacon". Carry on.
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1 ReplyThey'll Fook it up, they've fooked everything else.
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Why isn’t my guardian talked about all the time . I’ve done more than any of those guys. I should get that examine bleep every time I log in .
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Edited by rockshox: 1/30/2018 7:29:18 AMI appreciate what you say and agree with you up to a point, but whoever was responsible for the character stories and in game dialogue in d2 missed the boat by a mile. In the UK we have a children’s channel called cbeebies which is aimed mainly at children who have not yet reached the age for school and the dialogue from these shows that appear on said channel such as Mr Tumble, tinkywinky and what other shit is on there is right on par with d2 dialogue. I shit you not, ghost is a prime example of how degenerate this stuff is, if I had been given a script with the words “oooh look it’s a vex milk waterfall, can we, awwwe” I would have left the script on the desk, and gone home. It’s not even funny. What does bungie see us as if they are prepared to release and sanction shit like that .
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21 RepliesWhat I find pretty disturbing is that this kind of crap always seems to be directed at women.
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2 RepliesPlaying the dictionary game is always a bad argument. Last I checked Titans aren't that tall, your vehicle isn't a bird, and the Vex don't seem all that upset.
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3 Repliesbecause the fact that she is a woman is relevant to whether the game has a good story??? d2 has zero story whatsoever more or less. then on top of that throwing d1 story in the trash is laughable
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3 RepliesNobody, male or female, should be personally abused in any way on Social media. A lot of keyboard warriors think that the anonymity of the internet makes it is ok to call people names or threaten them, it isn’t. Having said that, if a ‘content creator ‘ ( uhggg I hate that description but can not think of a better one at the minute) puts their work out there in public then that work is subject to criticism good or bad. The fact that she is a woman does not make the work she produces immune from that in some way. The story she produced was banal in the extreme with little regard for what went before. It was full of immersion breaking plot holes and bad dialogue for which she does not get a pass. It has been said that it was better than that in D1 but I would argue that there is far more interest and mystery in The Strangers appearance in D1 than in the travesty that was produced for one of the most iconic figures in D1, Osiris. It was the lore that kept D1 alive for a lot of the community, and thus Bungie. To dismiss it in a tweet shows a complete lack of understanding of its importance in the Destiny world. Now I reiterate she should not have been personally attacked for this but her ‘work’ remains open to scrutiny. Oh and in case you regard this as being misogynistic I am a woman
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There is a reason why Marvel had to let her go, she completely ruined the Black Widow or Black Cat series comics and prompted Marvel to pretty much kill off the series soon after its release
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White knight
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Well, D2 is about the size of said teacup so.....
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1 ReplyGoogle her interviews about Black Widow. She routinely changes at will what's canon She also got black widow killed off. And then subsequently turned fan favorite Ms Marvel in to the lowest selling comic currently in print.
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1 ReplyHey Op! You should add this tweet from Margaret Stohl answering and apologizing for this whole fiasco https://twitter.com/mstohl/status/957766573569159168
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Not only do they say d1 lore is folklore but also and even worse d2 story/lore content sucks. If it wasnt for d1 nobody would be invested in anything in d2.
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I feel like it was moreso the language she used to communicate/lack thereof what she meant. Nevertheless, her writing isn't the best
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1 ReplyOne might say it's a teacup tempest... (For those who don't know it was a sidearm in D1).
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Storm in a teacup? Perhaps a [i]tempest[/i] in a teacup? As in [b][i]Teacup Tempest[/i][/b]??? Forum re-using D1 content confirmed. [spoiler]#satire[/spoiler]
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Edited by Gomly1980: 1/30/2018 11:13:02 AMI will agree some people go way too far. It's okay to be annoyed, angry and upset and ask for change but some of the shit I see aimed at her is -blam!-ing backwards. The writing is shit, tell them that by all means but tone the -blam!-ing threats down. None of the people making them will ever back them up they just look ridiculous.
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1 ReplyThere is no canon to begin with. Why do people insist on always being told what's going on? Yeah, the story needed to be fleshed out in both games, but since Bungie decided to completely screw that up, the Destiny universe is now an open book and people are free to make things up. Forget canon, screw Grimoire. Go make your own story.
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3 RepliesShe's your typical arrogant Bungie employee, who doesn't like criticism. Even though her "writing" is garbage and laughable. She's one of the SJW's that ruined Marvel comics with politically correct nonsense.
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She's a terrible writer *flies away*
