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I wish we had a map with 400 yard shooting lanes.

I agree and disagree... Agree that certain hand cannon archetypes feel a bit powerful aka 120s ... but outside of 120 range and hand cannons can currently be countered by every other gun type other than scouts.... Allow me to explain the sandbox is in a great place right now as far as weapon options most guns can compete there's not an outstanding outlier outside of the range of 120s Pulse rifles: high impacts specifically can compete on insane levels such as cold denial or redrix lightweights and adaptive need to be looked at but high impacts and even aggressive bursts are still great... give vigilance wing a try Scouts: rapid fires are the only viable ones currently trustee and symmetry are the only scouts that can currently compete so scouts need a buff Autos: gnawing hunger still rips suros is still a beast even false promises can be competitive rapid fires and anything higher the 450 rof need a buff but autos are still solid Sidearms: lots of good choices... this is based on playstyle Snipers shotguns fusions all one shot so no need to go over that... This sandbox is quite enjoyable and it's the most versatile one we've had in a while.... just 3 months ago it was all gnawing hunger and fel winters so... My advice is just try using guns you don't normally use and you might find a gem

120s I agree, Bungo went way overboard with the range buff. 140s... [i]maybe?[/i] I'd nerf 120s and buff up some of the AR and Pulse archetypes before hitting them with more than a small aim assist nerf. 180s need a buff, tho.

[quote]Look. This nonsense has to stop. This whole game is ruled by hand cannons, shot guns, and snipers. I have no beef with shot guns and snipers. Those kills are well earned and make sense. No. My beef is with this hand cannon nonsense. 3 shots from 400 yards away and your toast. I’ve seen these things out perform scouts, pulse, and auto rifles. It’s nonsense. I literally no reality would a hand gun be able to out shoot any of these arms. They’re OP and it ruins competitive games. I’d understand if the were used as a follow up side arm but these things are literally way to OP. Might as well just take every other gun out of the competitive game except for shotguns, hand cannons, and snipers. Put them in the power range they deserve and restore some integrity to this god forsaken multiplayer.[/quote] Maybe if you stopped relying on a shotgun in your primary slot you might actually improve as a player... I could body shot you with my sniper then 1 tap with HC which is obviously faster than a 3 tap. So your argument is invalid. Try crutching crimson like every other kid then.

Agreed but just 120’s. 140’s have a high skill floor for the optimal ttk. But the range on 120’s are out of hand, they should be in a sweet spot. Pulse rifle range but not scour rifle range.

only 120 need a little range nerf,

I think the majority of hcs are okay, 140s do require a level of skill being 100% accuracy for that optimal ttk but I do feel 120s are a bit out of hand. A range nerf just of a few metres and a accuracy nerf to not award headshots for being shot in he knees would probably be enough imo.

I feel ya man In this meta, like what's the point of using scout, pulse, or bow when hand canon can just 3 tap you (or even 2 tap) from supposedly favored range of those guns.

I agree, I also had some Donkey say “hit your shots” lol, because that tid bit of advice totally fixes the problems of being outgunned in scout range.