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6/21/2019 9:42:04 AM
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[quote]Nah I’d rather they focus resources on good content[/quote] If only they were actually making content. All I see is re-skins drip-fed and a great focus on the cash shop and paywalled items in a fully priced games with multiple editions, DLCs, expansions, passes, etc. I don’t care if they’re going f2p, they’ve already scammed 14+ million people, and eververse has always paywalled items and made in-game ads.
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[quote][quote]Nah I’d rather they focus resources on good content[/quote] If only they were actually making content. All I see is re-skins drip-fed and a great focus on the cash shop and paywalled items in a fully priced games with multiple editions, DLCs, expansions, passes, etc. I don’t care if they’re going f2p, they’ve already scammed 14+ million people, and eververse has always paywalled items and made in-game ads.[/quote] Also notice that it might be going "f2p" but if new players want forsaken and shadowkeep, they are currently only purchasable separately and cost the same price as a new game.......
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What did you expect...? Do you honestly think anyone deserves Forsaken or Shadowkeep for free? That’s a dumb point of view quite frankly. Bungie needs to make money now more than ever now that activision is gone. Giving away full fledged dlcs for free would be company suicide.
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Edited by Vertillian: 6/21/2019 7:32:38 PM[quote]What did you expect...? Do you honestly think anyone deserves Forsaken or Shadowkeep for free? That’s a dumb point of view quite frankly. Bungie needs to make money now more than ever now that activision is gone. Giving away full fledged dlcs for free would be company suicide.[/quote] That wasn't the point ☺ Also "more than ever" 😆😆 I love it every time someone says that. Bungie have been earning a high percentage of the profits destiny has produced for years, the eververse money AND all the Bungie store money..... that's not a tiny chunk of change. My point is, they may be announcing that they are moving to "f2p", but seeing as most players have forked out over $100 so far, and will have to fork out $50+ for shadowkeep/annual pass 2.0, there is nothing free about this product ☺ also, making vanilla destiny "free", when it is $2 on eBay and mostly irrelevant doesn't exactly mean much ☺
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Using emojis doesn’t really make you sound that much credible as a person to get information from. You do realize bungie can’t simply live off of eververse and bungie store profits( some percentage of which go toward the Bungie Foundation) right? You can’t deny now that Activision is gone, they have a lot less money to work with. Saying nothing is free about the game, when the entirety of year one, plus gambit, plus both forsaken destinations are coming, is just incorrect.
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Edited by Vertillian: 6/21/2019 8:02:03 PM[quote]Using emojis doesn’t really make you sound that much credible as a person to get information from. You do realize bungie can’t simply live off of eververse and bungie store profits( some percentage of which go toward the Bungie Foundation) right? You can’t deny now that Activision is gone, they have a lot less money to work with. Saying nothing is free about the game, when the entirety of year one, plus gambit, plus both forsaken destinations are coming, is just incorrect.[/quote] I don't particularly care if you find me credible ☺ "Free" for new consumers? Sure, after all the fans that would actually pay money for this content have been exhausted. 90% of the "free" content is now irrelevant ☺ I expected Bungie to do exact what they have done, monetize every part of the game that they can. They want a "f2p", MTX, expansion based, boxed release, with an added subscription model ☺ They want as much of your money as possible, with as little effort as possible. Technically that is brilliant business. Shady, but that's how they see YOU. A consumer. To be sucked dry ☺ Enjoy
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What part of the new model is subscription based? For the most part it’s exactly the same as we have been getting for five years. A expansion that gives us a big drop of content with a new annual pass to sustain us for a year. It’s not like we have to pay a yearly fee to even log into the game.
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[quote]What part of the new model is subscription based? For the most part it’s exactly the same as we have been getting for five years. A expansion that gives us a big drop of content with a new annual pass to sustain us for a year. It’s not like we have to pay a yearly fee to even log into the game.[/quote] Annual pass is basically subscription based. Bungie are just trying to be any kind of game they can think of so they can milk more money out of the player base. What big drip of content? Seriously, where is it? Not seeing this. Also they may be making a small part of the game f2p but thats just to encourage new people to play, people that don't even want the game. This is no doubt judt another way for Bungie to hide the fact that they dont know what they are doing or what d2 should be. The fact that all the recent content, including the menagerie was made by 2 other studios and not bungie makes that very clear.
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I never said drip of content, I said drop, like shadowkeep or forsaken. Given how they are changing the game as of late I’d say they know what they are doing, and September and onward will prove that. Again, a subscription based model implies you need to pay to even log in when that isn’t the case. You can pay for the content you want in the future, and not buy anything else
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[quote]I never said drip of content, I said drop, like shadowkeep or forsaken. Given how they are changing the game as of late I’d say they know what they are doing, and September and onward will prove that. Again, a subscription based model implies you need to pay to even log in when that isn’t the case. You can pay for the content you want in the future, and not buy anything else[/quote] Lol got to love auto correct. I meant drop but they we go. You can't even play the forsaken story properly anymore lol that's really a big drop of content. Nothing says shiny and new like overhauling eververse and putting even more mtx in. It's basically just a big advert now. That plus a bunch of pointless and some necessary nerfs, more issues and long maintenance is all Bungie have recently added to that game. Also it is subscription based. I think you need to look up what that means dude. Eso has a subscription but you don't have to buy it to play the game or log into that game, just one example there 😉
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“The subscription based business model is a business model that charges customers a recurring fee — typically monthly or yearly — to access a product or service.” Do you need to pay yearly to access Destiny 2? I don’t think so. Sure, the new expansions certainly add to the experience, but Destiny is not a subscription based model.
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[quote]“The subscription based business model is a business model that charges customers a recurring fee — typically monthly or yearly — to access a product or service.” Do you need to pay yearly to access Destiny 2? I don’t think so. Sure, the new expansions certainly add to the experience, but Destiny is not a subscription based model.[/quote] So, you are saying that a subscription is paying a yearly fee to access content..... so the very definition of the annual pass. Thanks for proving my point for me, it saves me spoon feeding you these simple concepts again.
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I guess you just won’t get the point that you still don’t need to pay a yearly fee to access destiny 2. In fact, when the new shit comes out you don’t even need to pay for all of it, just what you want. Keep ignoring the literal definition of subscription based model though
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[quote]I guess you just won’t get the point that you still don’t need to pay a yearly fee to access destiny 2. In fact, when the new shit comes out you don’t even need to pay for all of it, just what you want. Keep ignoring the literal definition of subscription based model though[/quote] You really don't understand ☺ ESO has a subscription, similar to the annual pass, it doesn't mean you have to pay to play the actual game, but certain activities. It is a SUBSCRIPTION. But we have already established that you will happily throw any amount of money in Bungie's direction without any qualms ☺
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After looking up what ESO does i would hardly compare it to the annual pass, ESO makes you pay a monthly fee or yearly fee while the annual pass you can buy once and have all the content come to you without worrying about having to keep paying for the content you already paid for. Going further, this monthly fee for ESO gives out different content than the destiny annual pass. Comparison between the two is nonexistent.
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[quote]After looking up what ESO does i would hardly compare it to the annual pass, ESO makes you pay a monthly fee or yearly fee while the annual pass you can buy once and have all the content come to you without worrying about having to keep paying for the content you already paid for. Going further, this monthly fee for ESO gives out different content than the destiny annual pass. Comparison between the two is nonexistent.[/quote] Actually, it isn't. Both require payment for access to in game content. My point is, that not all subscriptions block access to the main game itself. That was your main argument against the annual pass being considered as a subscription. That was refuted and I provided a factual example of why ☺ I have said my piece, provided facts to back it up.
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My main argument still is the annual pass isn’t subscription. You pay a one time fee to buy all the content at once to keep for good, or you can buy different pieces of it when you want coming later in this year. ESO has you paying a monthly or yearly fee for continued access to the same benefits ESO plus gives. Once again, comparison between the two isn’t there. There is a huge difference between paying for access to the same benefits yearly and paying a one time fee for all the content or paying for what you want when it comes out and keeping that for good.
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[quote]My main argument still is the annual pass isn’t subscription. You pay a one time fee to buy all the content at once to keep for good, or you can buy different pieces of it when you want coming later in this year. ESO has you paying a monthly or yearly fee for continued access to the same benefits ESO plus gives. Once again, comparison between the two isn’t there. There is a huge difference between paying for access to the same benefits yearly and paying a one time fee for all the content or paying for what you want when it comes out and keeping that for good.[/quote] You missed the point again. Entirely.
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Edited by SpicyPepes: 6/23/2019 3:35:13 PMIf you were trying to make any point it’s been unclear what it was, you seem to be trying to tell me something that isn’t true
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[quote]If you were trying to make any point it’s been unclear what it was, you seem to be trying to tell me something that isn’t true[/quote] No, illustrating the point that subscription services don't block you out of the main game in all situations, which was your ONLY reason for the annual pass not basically, at its core, being a subscription like offering. No matter what it is though, you will be throwing your money at Bungie.... so what does it matter?
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Alright, but in your ESO comparison it [i]does[/i] lock you out of the benefits of ESO Plus if you don’t pay up yearly or monthly. Annual pass does not.
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Edited by Vertillian: 6/23/2019 4:03:09 PMBut not buying it does ☺ My original point was that Destiny is a full priced boxed game, with f2p MTX, loot boxes, expansions and a drip fed "subscription-like" annual pass. You are happy with giving your money to them despite having no actual clue of what value you are getting. So why argue with someone who will never understand? This is my last post to you on this subject ☺ I provided factual examples, you chose to try and deflect onto a different point. Your choice, but I am not here to pander to your opinion ☺
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I have faith in bungie that they’ll deliver on all future content drops now that they are free from Activision. As for your facts you didn’t really present any strong points. You tried to say that not all “subscription based” games lock you out of content with your ESO comparison, but it does in fact lock you out of the benefits if you don’t pay yearly. I’m thankful you are done responding, because your responses have been god awful
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[quote]I have faith in bungie that they’ll deliver on all future content drops now that they are free from Activision. As for your facts you didn’t really present any strong points. You tried to say that not all “subscription based” games lock you out of content with your ESO comparison, but it does in fact lock you out of the benefits if you don’t pay yearly. I’m thankful you are done responding, because your responses have been god awful[/quote] Wow you really are a pedantic person aren't you. You have been provided with a nice clear argument and because it doesn't fit your world view are rude. Bungie are being as money grabbing as possible. It's a boxed release, with mtx, a subscription and expansions. Plus they now added it's going f2p. They have put every type of money grabbing model into the game. This is the point that's been presented to you over and over. If you can't be bother to actually read that and comment on it, go somewhere else and waste your breath there.
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I have no idea who you are, and quite frankly I don’t have the time to deal with you. His points have been weak, and I told him as such.
