Really? What you're account shows is three characters who are aren't max level. Where only 2 of the three are even wearing matched sets of legendary armor....and only 1 of 3 are using legendary weapons. Two of you're three characters are still running around with loadouts of BLUE (rare) weapons. You have 415 cores because you aren't USING them. You may be content to play this game that way, but the rest of us arent'. I'm a Day 1, Destiny 1 player and I understand Perfectly how this economy (doesn't) work....and how it forces you to play in ways that NO OTHER loot-based game demands of you. I understand perfectly that they system is BROKEN.... ...and the only people who aren't complaiing about it, are people like yourself. Because you basically play in fringe ways where you basically don't infuse anything, and you don't use more than one build.

Lord have mercy, let me move the proper gear and weapons around so you can apologize.

I strongly recommend you don't hold your breath waiting for that apology. Unless you have a strong affinity for the color BLUE.....

guess you must be color blind.

No. Blue will be the color YOU turn while waiting for an "apology" that won't be forthcoming. Because I've done nothing that warrants one.

[quote]Really? What you're account shows is three characters who are aren't max level. Where only 2 of the three are even wearing matched sets of legendary armor....and only 1 of 3 are using legendary weapons. Two of you're three characters are still running around with loadouts of BLUE (rare) weapons. [/quote] well, I can admit when I am wrong and you are totally, wrong. I have 3 characters that are all 650 max level. 2 of the 3 having masterworked matching sets of armor (they don't come that way). All with legendary weapons - mainly masterworked (or so I attempted to display, though there are more that are masterworked that can't be displayed like the 648 Parcel of Stardust) sure it might not be 650 but it totally kicks but in Gambit clearing out the center. Full Auto with Auto Reload. so might want to check your mirror next time before you keep flapping your gums.

How many different [u]loadouts[/u] does each one of your characters have at that power level? Just asking. :) The game's MATH says that you just have ONE. ..and that is a mark of an extremely POORLY designed progression system.

well the game's math (your math) is wrong. 2 or 3 loadouts - depends on what I feel like running and if there is a triumph I am trying to get. for instance - Gambit is masterworked (paid for) parcel of stardust and masterworked (paid for) last stance sidearm - don't know the name right off the bat. Heavy could be Thunderlord or Hammerhead masterworked (and paid for) Crucible is or was Redrix Broadsword masterworked (came that way) until I got the mastery done (just this last weekend) but preferred is Eternal Slumber masterworked (paid for) during year 2, but a cheap weapon since it is Y1. Currently trying for precision kills with trace rifle or fusion rifle so going with Loaded Question masterworked (came that way) sometime I will try running Trust masterworked (came that way) on close combat many corners maps. Heavy is whatever is loaded since I don't generally go for ammo - though I need to run Sword to get that mastery triumph have 11 kills?? maybe a few more but less that 20 for certain. - forgot to add, when it gets sweatty, will put Coldheart, ProLens, Wave on just to have fun. Strikes can be anything - Breakneck masterworked (came that way) is a popular choice with Le Monarque (not possible to masterwork) is quite a fun loadout to have. Heavy can be anything again. Raids - well since I have not raided in months I don't know that I really have a current setup/loadout for this. Though I did masterwork and add a boss kill mod to a rocket launcher for the one failed attempt I did have at Last Wish. If I were to start running raids more often, I don't know what I would try running. Old Loadout was Y1 Nameless masterworked, Positive masterworked, Sins masterworked. the only weapons I tend NOT to run are hand cannons and sniper rifles, any other weapon is a viable choice on any loadout - that does include since I did not mention them grenade launchers. AND UPON re-reading your convoluted mess trying to decipher the dribble - if you are going to ask me: do I have 3 Parcel of Stardust all masterworked on each character all with the god roll of Full Auto and Auto Reload - the answer is NO - I have not gotten that weapon that way 3 times over. WHEN I do, bet your azz I will keep it and masterwork it and have it on all 3 - but that has NOTHING to do with the Game's Math. that has everything to do with Roll - you keep weapons of multiple randomness roll in your vault. I only need 1 since I can only use 1 at a time - I dare you to prove that wrong.

Call bullshit. ...and 80% of the weapons you state that are Masterworked are pinnacle weapons that are DELIVERED that way. So---once again---you aren't USING cores. 1. Yes I have Breakneck....but the weapon is a situational weapon that is designed for crowd control. Its not a very good weapon for situations where you fight across longer distances or go up against weapons that require more precise fire. So I maintain several other well-rolled ARs for my characters. Mainly Tigerspites with Triple Tap....and Ringing Nials with Dragon Fly and/or Rampage. 2. Handcannons tend to work best when going up against the Vex and Scorn. So I also keep several well-rolled Kindled Orchids (including one fo the curated ones with Drop Mag, Kill Clip and Rampage) I also have a god-rolled Dreaming City Hand cannon with Opening shot and Dragonfly 3. Then there are shotguns and fusion rifles that I maintain as power weapons. 4. Bows for open world content 5 As well as various power weapons. Mainly LMGs and the Exotics. THIS...is what's called "build variety"....and what WELL-DESIGNED loot-games with FUNCTIONAL in-game economies and progression systems allow you to do, And it is just a TINY taste of how I used to play this game before Forsaken and this joke of an infusion economy. The "meaningful choice" that had meaning to ME as the player, was to accept a slower rate of vertical progression in return for maintaining an arsenal of weapns that allowed me to TAILOR my loadout to how I wanted to play that day....and what kind of content I was playing. It kept the game fresh. it made the grind FUN....and not a CHORE. But because of "enhancement cores" you cannot play that way anymore. The scarcity of cores basically FORCES you to play in a manner where you have to basically choose a small number of weapons that you use for all content. ...and since you are forced to do that, you are FORCED to choose the weapons that are the most versatile and the most efficient. Which DAMAGES the play experience. For example, right now I've hit upon a Dawnblade build that is one of the most enjoyable in the game. You choose the bottom attunment. Pair it with Wings of Sacred Dawn. Then Use one of the BA bows with Air Assualt. This build allows you to basically HOVER in the air and fight with your bow, for basically indefinitely as long as you continue to hit your targets. The build is a SHIT ton of fun to play, and leans even harder in to the warrior-angel power-fantasy. But I can't EXPLORE that build any further because its a SITUATIONAL one....and I can't afford to spend the cores that my OTHER characters need for progression in order to do so. This restriction ADDS nothing of meaning to the game for the player....and damages and destroys a LOT of things that do have meaning for players. Just because it doesn't negatively effect YOUR PERSONAL play style, doesn't mean it isn't a problem for the REST of us. There is a God in this Universe, and it ain't you. So you don't get to define Reality for the rest of us.

Yet some how you are and do, interesting.....very interesting. And a situational build, hmm....because that allows for such variety..... kind of don't believe it. I run what works for me because I have tried all the different weapons and when I get new weapons, pick and choose what is worth trying out and keeping and what can hit the materials bin. And by dismantling so many weapons and armors that are worthless, cores stack up. Here is an idea, instead of just building situational gear for your warlock, try building something that you can use on multiple characters so that you can get all of them up to speed. Sure you might not like being stuck with 1 weapon set for 2 weeks but if the weapons are all 650, then your chances of getting armors to match at that level are increased. If not, the worse your are going to get are other 650 weapons that you can then infuse WITHOUT cores into weapons of the same name you have stored in your vault. Try thinking outside the box. Opening up your mind to new and different possibilities.

[quote]Yet some how you are and do, interesting.....very interesting.[/quote] No I don't. I have over 200 weapons sitting in my vault right now that I'd like to level up and play with....but I can't. I can't----not because I dont' play enough to earn the glimmer, weapon parts, and other material to do so. I can't because it is LITERALLY impossible to extract the cores from the game necessary to so. Because the game was DESIGNED to PREVENT the very thing I wish to do. It was designed that way to serve BUNGIE's NEEDS.....not mine. ..and that is an arrangement that I'm not going to tolerate without complaint. If you can't deal with that Percy Weasley, then that's your problem. [quote]Here is an idea, instead of just building situational gear for your warlock, try building something that you can use on multiple characters so that you can get all of them up to speed.[/quote] I. Don't. Want. To. Play. That. Way. Because. It. Isn't. FUN. ...and I've NEVER had to play any other loot-based RPG that way. The fact that this game BASICALY is FORCING you to play that way, is a sign of BAD GAME DESIGN. Not "bad player". [quote]Try thinking outside the box. Opening up your mind to new and different possibilities.[/quote] Again. NO. I have no interest in altering how I play this kind of game, in order to ACCOMODATE Bungie's inexperience and poor design choices. That Bungie did VIOLATES a very basic rule of good game design, and I am simply not going to back down on this. I am not going to damage MY experience. THEY are going to fix this. Because it is MY MONEY they want. And there are lots of other games out there that will not force you to play in this extremely narrow way because the developer is stuck with tools that won't allow them to make content at the speed the game requires.

it is not literally impossible to extract cores, you just don't keep count and pay attention to the cores you are getting. and if you are not having fun, why not just stop playing the game and find something that IS fun. there are so many better options out there anyway. and they do not want your money. and I highly recommend you find and stick to other games out there that allow you to play the way you want to - clearly this game is not good for you, you do not enjoy it. and the developer will not change this game just to accommodate your abstract thought process to the contrary.

[quote]it is not literally impossible to extract cores, you just don't keep count and pay attention to the cores you are getting. [/quote] Factually, incorrect. [quote]and if you are not having fun, why not just stop playing the game and find something that IS fun. there are so many better options out there anyway. [/quote] Because, Bungie has already **partially** acknowledged that they screwed this up and that the math isn't working. Only they insist on trying to FIX the system, rather than being willing to admit that trying to fix it for infusion will only BREAK it for masterworking. Pride often keeps people trying to "salvage" a bad idea, that really needs to be simply abandoned (Sunk Cost Fallacy). [quote]and I highly recommend you find and stick to other games out there that allow you to play the way you want to - clearly this game is not good for you, you do not enjoy it[/quote] Once again your "free advice" is neither helpful, useful, warranted, or will ever be acted upon. Good fences make good neighbors, child. When I want your opinion on what I should be doing with my life,[i] I will GIVE IT TO YOU. [/i] [quote]and the developer will not change this game just to accommodate your abstract thought process to the contrary.[/quote] [i]Actually they already are. [/i] They just aren't willing to go the FULL distance required.....yet.

So you claim that I don't use my cores , how should I be using my cores? Since you know so much more about how this game is supposed to be played and works. Additionally you have 200 weapons in your vault that you want to use but just can't. Assuming that they were all 650 and masterworked, how many could you use at one time?

1. I don't have to claim anything. All I have to do is understand how this economy works to DEMONSTRATE that you don't. 2. What you chose to do with your cores is NONE of my business. If you are content playing the way that you are currently playing, then that is your right to do so. THE PROBLEM HERE, is that YOU are insisting that EVERYONE ELSE needs to "MAKE THEMSELVES CONTENT" playing the way YOU play. Because we are all somehow "doing it wrong" if we don't accommodate a system that is broken-by-design. Because it was designed to achieve a short-term goal for Bungie, at the expense of the player and the long-term health of the game. 3. I've already explained how I prefer to play loot-based games. [quote]Additionally you have 200 weapons in your vault that you want to use but just can't. Assuming that they were all 650 and masterworked, how many could you use at one time?[/quote] 1. Not the point. 2. I've EARNED those weapons and the right to use them how I chose. 3. Without the artificial restriction of cores (which, by design, are not available in game enough to permit me to do this no matter how much I play) I would be easily abile to level up all the things I want because I play often enough to have EARNED all the other necessary resources. In short, cores---as infusion material---do NOTHING of value and ADD nothing of value (to me) to the game. They only function they serve is to PREVENT me from playing in the way that I choose. A way that does nothing to damage the game....or the play experiences of others.

It's sad how the closed simple minded just can't answer a direct question. You have stated multiple times that I do not use my cores, I'm not going to go back and copy the quotes. They are there. Yes when I ask you to tell me how I should use them, it does has no relevance and does not matter. I feel sorry for you and wish you luck. I don't play the game I like or dislike I play the game to win. I have figured out how to accomplish something and will continue to do so. Maybe one day you will come to the same realization. Cores are fine as is and need no change on the ability to access them. And my vault is full (yes 500 full) of weapons and armors that I will most likely never use, not due to light level, not due to masterworking, simply because I can't get those items back if I were to delete them based on the new random roll options available. Want to push for a change, please make that happen, the ability to re-acquire all Y2 stuff from collections.

My purpose for being here is to IMPROVE this game. Not blindly accommodate HORRIBLE design decisions, and pretend that everything is "okay". What is SAD, is your complete inability to expand YOUR horizons enough to accept that not everyone wants to be pigeonholed....or be forced to play the game in a way that YOU might enjoy....but that they don't. I love broccoli. You may hate it. So while a restaurant that serves it with every meal may not be a problem for me....it will be for you. If you genuinely dislike it, you are going to want to have an option to NOT have it be part of the meal that you are paying for. And you are NOT going to appreciate me showing up and telling you that you are being an entitled jerk because you refuse to find some way to choke the broccoli down....while PAYING for the "privilege". [i]I feel sorry for you and wish you luck. [/i] ...and that's your problem. Because your feelings are not my concern...and I really don't need your "luck". As I said, Bungie already knows they -blam!-ed this up...which is why they are scrambling to try to find as many ways of making cores available as possible. But the point is that they can't make them available enough for what is needed for INfusion....and if they did, they's simply break masterworking by making that function too easy. Which is why they need to be removed from infusion. Because---if they don't---all they're going to do is keep PISSING off the player base at the start of each season, when the level cap gets raised again. IN short, this is a problem that is NOT going away, and that they are eventually going to have to back down and fix properly.

You should give out loans. And ask for a point back in return. So for 10 notes they pay you back 11 notes. Hahaha

Didn't we already have a nice in-depth conversation about this? Yep, it was you. I checked. lol I'm in the top 4% on WastedOnDestiny.com and I haven't quite yet gotten all 3 of my toons to max yet. I think I have like 8 cores in inventory right now - and we went over how conservatively I use cores, remember? So, I (sitting at the top 4% of time-wasters in this game) have about 1 month or so of earning a pile of cores and tweaking my gear up on all 3 toons. What kind of chance does that give the lower 96% of players? It's an altogether TOO restrictive mechanic. If you're happy with all of your character progress right now and are still sitting on so many cores, then you've obviously been blessed by RNG with hella gear popping out cores for you - or tons of scrapper bounties. Something...

Well, let's get rid of cores, while at it, get rid of legendary shards, since we are doing that, get rid of planetary materials, since we no longer have any of that. Do we need quests to get things, why not just hand them out when you first log in and you can created and use anything from the get go. Ok, keep WotW, nope nevermind, that was too hard, remove that quest as well. Anything else we can remove, they removed sbmm maybe we should remove light levels as well since they don't really matter. And if you are removing light levels why not just remove level at the same time, instant everything simply for paying for the game. That sounds like fun awesome greatness. Heck better give everyone all the triumphs and seals as well, just because you bought the game, no need to actually play and earn them because we paid.

And you were so reasonable the last time we talked. Damn...

[quote].....415 cores[/quote] Not everyone has that kind of time on their hands, bro. I prefer playing the game the way I want to play it, not the way Bungie wants.