I'm not complaining because this is a better model than D1. When they first announced raid lairs cryptically for D2 (Raid Activities), I was upset because I knew "Raid Activities" definitely didn't mean Raid. However, once the full model of Raid Lairs came out I had tempered enthusiasm. I realized this could be a model that Bungie follows to give us one big raid and two smaller raid activities a year. That is wayyyyyyyyy better than the 1 raid a year model that we got from D1. Remember House of Wolves did not have a raid and Crota come on that is a raid lair itself. Even if you want to say Crota was a full Raid, that is a total of 4 raids in D1. If D2 has the same life cycle as D1 then we'll end up with 3 Raids and 6 Raid lairs. Also it's not like the first two raid lairs were junk. SoS is a ton of fun and EoW wasn't bad either outside of the horrid team jumping puzzle. Now I did read down and see your complaint about the loot. You're not wrong about the Loot and we probably need to make this a sticking point with Bungie. I'm not too afraid of this though because Loot isn't just a raid problem in D2. LOOT is a HUGE PROBLEM FOR ALL OF D2. Bungie is addressing that for the game as a whole, so I expect raid gear to be included in that. I do get your whole thing about the themes changing it up and going to other places yea that's cool, but would bring you back to the same equation I mentioned earlier. Would you rather have 4 raids with all different themes or 3 raids with different teams and six raid lairs. Idk about you, but I like the latter option much better.

Raid lairs is such a let down. Hate going to the same place over and over. I would prefer Crota sized raids instead of lairs. Then a huge raid yearly. Crota was short but so unique. The weapons and armor was amazing. Leviathan and lairs are boring. Reskin guns and weapons. Nothing unique just blahhhhh

Yes..... but I don’t think many people do raids in this game anyways.

I really don't find all the gimmicky mechanics fun I play a shooter game to shoot things not jump through hoops, hide from dogs or play picture-nary.... EOW is not too bad I basically avoid playing the raids as I don't enjoy them and thanks to the way the game is balanced I run out of things to do that grants any meaningful reward/progress the day after reset.

Crota was my favorite, I hope they bring back good raids like that.

I’d like a raid that’s more focused on shooting rather than jumping through hoops, throwing balls around or hiding from dogs in a garden. Some mechanics are fine but in D2 they have become ridiculous.

I want something like vog, hell now I’ll even take something like kings fall or wrath. I don’t like the new armor design or reskins of eow armor either. ( I do like the spire of stars titan mark ). I mean they could of kept whoever was making the raid gear in destiny one around, because the gear was simply on point and amazing. Don’t get me wrong I love the prestige leviathan look, but come on bungie I know we can have better looking gear like in d1.

I’d give up all current raid lairs, the raid, and crucible just for one raid like the Vault of Glass. Also if they want to make a prestige or heroic raid they should add in more boss fights or more areas instead of just making the enemies more bullet-spongy.

Raid ranking to me VOG taken king (with competent folks) Crota WoM (lacked competent folks which may have skewed my appreciation for this) D2 game shows I much prefer the huge event and crazy detail put into the original 3 raids. Im sure it’s tough to recreate that magic over and over without getting into the dull game show style mechanics vs boss fights

It wouldn't take much more effort. add an encounter (two in the case of eow) and that would be it. maybe a boss or something. not hard, and they wouldn't have to call them "raid lairs" either.

We're getting a full raid once a year like in D1. Now we're getting 2 raid Lairs in between every year. Has no one realized that? The more the merrier, right? The problem isn't the length, it's the rewards. It's the replayability. There's really no reason to do them, unless you need to power up, after the first 2-3 weeks. ... And before anyone says something, no, I don't count Crota as a raid. It was beaten solo on rock band drums.