http://time.com/4793372/ben-carson-poverty-state-of-mind/
So according to Ben, poverty is caused by parents letting their kids get into a poverty mindset. I can tell you from personal experience that this is simply untrue. I volunteer at a Soup Kitchen on weekends, and the people there tell me how their working hard, trying to provide for their families. I know friends who have too debate between buying clothes for their children or paying the electric bill. They all work their ass of, and are still in poverty.
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2 RepliesVery few if any people in the US experience true poverty. And just because people say they work hard doesn't mean anything. Some peoples version of working hard is working at mcdonalds for a 5 hour shift every day. It is a mindset. If you are poor don't have kids. If you are poor don't have an iPhone or cable tv. If you are poor don't spend money on stupid shit you don't need which I almost guarantee all of those people do. If those people had truly worked hard they would have a degree in some high paying field and would have graduated with near a 4.0 gpa. Or they would have gone to a trade school like welding and would be making near 100k a year. There are plenty of opportunities for people to not be poor in the US most people just make really stupid decisions and don't actually work hard as you have suggested. 90% of the US population doesn't know what hard work is.
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If you ever listen to Carson talk for yourself and not just read extractions from articles, I think you'd have a better sense of the context of the things he says. Yes, some things he is ignorant on, but he has become something of a punching bag for the left to beat up on as he represents everything they hate. Nuance and meaning are lost in short blurbs and excerpts. Carson was likely stating that, in a general sense, poverty is a state of mind. Not that the single mother with two kids and a mortgage can just "decide to be wealthy" one day, but that where we end up in life is a series of tough choices. For instance, two people who grow up the same way and neither one has any advantages over the other can come out completely different simply because of choices. My mother was raised dirt poor. Lived on her own when she was 16 waitressing restaurants. Her and my dad had me when she was 27. They split and she was on her own again. Worked her way up the chain at a restaurant to become the kitchen manager. Set enough aside to raise me and pay for college. Got a degree in accounting. Fast forward 20 years and she makes 200k a year and owns her own accounting business. A lot of people will simply brush off these statements that sound harsh because the thought of them actually having to make tough choices and endure the consequences (either good or bad) is much more difficult than getting to blame anyone and everyone else.
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15 RepliesHe's always been a ridiculous person. He once claimed to have been given the answers to a test by God in a dream.
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He's not entirely wrong. The right outlook on life can have worlds of difference. However, to suggest that it is the only factor, or even the most significant, is ignorant and naive.
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But it is a mindset though. If you are given the opptunity to be middle class you will probably just end up being middle class. Ie post secondary, with job experience in any certaib field. I just picked industrial.
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1 ReplyEdited by Inb4ban: 5/28/2017 3:15:45 AMCompletely true. People saying "I can't afford my hose anymore!" but apparently can afford to eat out everyday, have the newest phone every year, be addicted to drugs and alcohol, buy a Nissan GT-R, have a 50 inch plasma tv with fiber optics and a brand new PS4, subscription to Netflix, etc. it is a mindset.
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I can tell you from personal experience that it [b]is[/b] true. Some people are an exception to the rule. You may be one of those exceptions
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Carson catches a lot of shit but there is some truth to this. Look at all the millionaire athletes and lottery winners that piss away their money in a short amount of time. I wouldnt call it a mindset, but it is tied to financial literacy.
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Most of the people who come into your soup kitchen saying they work hard are most often having unsafe intercourse with everyone they can get near, spending all of their money on expensive and useless shoes, and sitting outside a Walmart holding up a cardboard sign saying, " Need money, family of 9, any money would be appreciated." Just to spend all of that money on drugs and alcohol.
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4 RepliesMy favourite is the "My life is so hard, I can hardly cover my bills!" Which is usually uttered whilst they are drinking or getting high
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Literally who
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He is absolutely right. poverty should only ever be a temporary problem. Working your ass off at a crap job isnt enough. You need to work your ass off, sacrifice, save and plan just to get by.
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4 RepliesI think I understand what he's trying to get at, but lacks the ability to convey it accurately without sounding like an asshole.
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He's a horrible speaker but he has a point if you want me to explain it for you
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2 RepliesTbh I don't see the backlash being grounded because of who said it. Yeah, Carson is kind of an idiot, and perhaps he worded what he wanted to say wrong, but he was born into poverty himself and worked his way out. If Trump said it, that would be a completely different story.
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13 RepliesBen Carson is a moron. He proved that during the primaries.
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20 RepliesSounds an awful lot like "it's your own fault you're poor".
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Morgan Freeman says basically the same thing.
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"I think poverty to a large extent is also a state of mind. You take somebody that has the right mindset, you can take everything from them and put them on the street, and I guarantee in a little while they'll be right back up there," Is also a state of mind. Is also. Is [i]also[/i]. It is almost like he is saying there are other factors involved....... "And you take somebody with the wrong mindset, you can give them everything in the world, they'll work their way right back down to the bottom," Carson added. As someone who went from poor white trash to a nice middle class life, you do need a certain drive. I also needed to leave my hometown which had zero prospects for this change. Took years to achieve that move, but in the 9 years since I moved, it has paid off. My sister's husband, he works hard & is a good man, but no drive or self esteem. He could be making a lot more money, but instead, he willingly stays in his job, that he is very good at, & won't move, even though he has been offered double & triple his current salary to join with them. He hates the company he works for, just loves the actual job.
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I think he conveyed a logical point very poorly.
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1 ReplyHe does have a point http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/29/janitor-secretly-amassed-an-8-million-fortune.html A man, on a janitor salary, was a millionaire
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1 ReplyEdited by SpiRits: 5/27/2017 2:09:20 PM[quote]http://time.com/4793372/ben-carson-poverty-state-of-mind/ So according to Ben, poverty is caused by parents letting their kids get into a poverty mindset. I can tell you from personal experience that this is simply untrue. I volunteer at a Soup Kitchen on weekends, and the people there tell me how their working hard, trying to provide for their families. I know friends who have too debate between buying clothes for their children or paying the electric bill. They all work their ass of, and are still in poverty.[/quote] Wait, what do you believe causes poverty?
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1 ReplyHe's so -blam!-ing stupid.
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Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 5/27/2017 12:37:17 AMBen Carson, in the same article: [quote]"I think the majority of people don’t have that defeatist attitude, but they sometimes just don’t see the way, and that’s where government can come in and be very helpful," he said in the interview. "It can provide the ladder of opportunity, it can provide the mechanism that will demonstrate to them what can be done."[/quote] It seems clear that he isn't saying that poverty is a literal choice, as many in this thread are inferring.
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10 RepliesThis isn't -blam!-ing Africa, if you are born poor in America that's no ones fault but if you die poor that's all on you. If you are born poor this is how you get out of it Step 1: Get good grades in high school, pass your SAT's and get into a good college. A lot of states have the top 10% rule which allows you instant admission to any public school you want to if you are in the top 10% of your class. Step 2: Get on financial aid and scholarships Asap, this is much easier if you are poor and even easier if you are a minority, if you plan it well you will end up taking out minimal loans Step 3: Make sure you get into a STEM major and get good internships in college Step 4: Graduate, if you followed these steps that's it you have already made it you are not ever going to be poor again in your life as long as you don't make stupid lifestyle mistakes. His point is a 100% true, as someone who lived in a 3rd world country it is hilariously easy to escape poverty in America
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2 RepliesPoverty in general? No. One adult in poverty over decades? Yes.