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Korra taught me that bringing balance means turning into a giant spirit lady, and destroying all darkness, completely and entirely, with overwhelming light. And spirit lasers. I didn’t see Anakin turn into no giant spirit lady.
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  • I’m just here scrolling through the forums and I click to see the replies underneath your post, it quadrupled. IT QUADRUPLED! The replies made my phone crash and made the the little bar on the right shrink because the screen grew. I hope your happy, Aifos! :( [spoiler]You convinced me to rewatch LoK.[/spoiler]

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  • *cue spooky Amon voice* Yes. Everything is finally comint together. [spoiler]I love that my phone immediately assumes I’m about to say “spooky Amon voice” as soon as I say the word “cue”.[/spoiler]

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  • I wish I had my phone trained to do that! [spoiler]Links don’t work for me, by the way.[/spoiler]

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  • [spoiler]It’s just a spooky picture of Amon to go with my spooky Amon voice.[/spoiler]

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  • I have a feeling that was negative.

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  • In a sarcastic joking sort of way, yes, it was. :p I like Korra as a whole but the ending of Season 2 was so dumb for a whole plethora of reasons. I can go on a rant if you want, but as a warning, it’d be a long one.

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  • Edited by The First Aifos: 2/24/2021 4:20:42 AM
    First and foremost, there were just a lot of things that were kind of dumb. UnaVaatu was—in theory—an Avatar that only knew waterbending, so the whole transformation into a giant dark spirit really just came out of nowhere; we had no indication that was a thing an Avatar could do, light or dark. But, at least for UnaVaatu we can pull the “he’s the Avatar” excuse. Korra transforming into [url=https://i.redd.it/uk50yql6dk811.jpg]GIANT SPIRIT KORRA[/url] was just so weird, and at this point in time Korra had been separated from Rava, so this wasn’t even some weird Avatar magic. I don’t even know what to say about the giant spirit battle besides... [i]Why?[/i] And, then you have Jinora, [i]descending from the heavens in a beam of light, the last hope in the darkness![/i] But, like, Jinora’s literally just some random kid. I don’t even understand how she weakened UnaVaatu, or what this plot thread was even supposed to accomplish. Once again, I just kind of find myself asking.. [i]Whyyyyyyy?[/i] And then we have this bit of the plot where Unaloq (Unalaq? However you spell it) draws Rava out from Korra’s body, disconnecting her from her past lives, essentially resetting the Avatar Cycle. It did create this scene where things felt hopeless, which was a goid scene, but like everything else with this ending it feels kind of pointless? Like, they needed to raise the stakes somehow, and they were like “Ooh, people like Aang! Let’s separate Korra from Aang so people get mad at Unalaq!”. But once again... [i]WHYYYYYY!?[/i] But okay, let’s just ignore all of the weird plot choices at the end, because there’s a much bigger problem here. Sure, on a micro level, this whole final fight is just kind of weird, but on a macro level it’s the antithesis of everything the story had been trying to tell us. Rewind back to the beginning of Season 2, before things got serious. The main conflict was between Mako & Korra, where Mako kept siding with people Korra was mad at, trying to get her to see their point of view, while Mako insisted that he wasn’t taking sides at all, and that everyone was just trying to help in the best way they can. Then things escalate, the water tribes are on the brink of civil war, and Korra steps in to try and prevent it. By telling the Southern Tribe to stand down, they accuse her of taking side with the North to which she replies; [quote][i]”I’m not taking their side! I’m not taking anyone’s side; I’m trying to stop a war!”[/i][/quote] Eventually, war does break out, and Team Avatar ultimately sides with the South against Unalaq. Things aren’t so cut & dry, though, and Verrick—one of the two people in charge of the Southern rebellion—kind of performs a lot of underhanded schemes and conspiracies, ultimately turning out to not really be that much better than Unalaq himself. This whole season has been about establishing that things aren’s as simple as “good vs. evil”. It’s not just “us vs. them”. And how do they conclude this season? [i][b]THE ULTIMATE BATTLE OF GOOD VS. EVIL! AN EPIC SHOWDOWN BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS![/b][/i] Like, um [b][i]WHAT!?[/i][/b] This climax is literally the exact opposite of everything the season has been saying up until this point. I don’t even.. What? There’s also a more fundamental problem with the whole idea of Rava & Vaatu. Supposedly, the Avatar is a force of balance, and the eternal struggle between Rava & Vaatu is supposed to symbolize this. Light & Dark must be kept in harmony with eachother. But while the lore says “balance” the story says “light has to win, and darkness cannot gain any ground whatsoever”. Here is how I would’ve fixed this problem; [spoiler]When Jinora visits the spirit library, she learns that “Dark Spirits” are not servants of Vaatu as we’ve been lead to believe, but rather they are the result of an imbalance between Light & Dark when Harmonic Convergence grows near. The ones from Wan’s time were indeed created by Vaatu, as darkness overwhelmed light, but the ones in modern times were unintentionally created by Rava, as the Avatar tips the scales in favor of light. The season plays out like normal up until the final battle. Let’s, er, just cut out the giant spirit battle completely, so it’s just a battle between Light Avatar Korra, and Dark Avatar Unalaq. Vaatu still totally wants to destroy the world, and fused with Unalaq the two overpower Korra. In their darkest hour, Jinora appears, and tells Korra what she learned in the library. Korra realizes “BALANCE!”, and comes to the conclusion the only real way to bring balance into the world is to absorb Rava [i]and[/i] Vaatu. So she pulls Vaatu out of Unalaq the same way he pulled Rava out of her, and then fuses with both of them, binding herself to them using Harmonic Convergence, turning the Avatar from a force of Light into a true force of Balance. This would’ve lead to a more interesting encounter with Zaheer down the line, too. Zaheer’s philosophy was freedom before all else. Pure chaos. Korra would have to resist the urge to give into Vaatu’s desire for chaos, adding an extra layer of internal conflict that I feel the Season 3 was kind of missing.[/spoiler]

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  • Edited by OdinsKnight101: 2/24/2021 10:00:25 AM
    I liked reading all that. Sorry for the late reply I said those words and then went to sleep. I love internal conflicts! Edit: Would like to listen more on your opinions off Khorra Take your time. I have seen it all.

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  • Season 1 was basically perfect. I love Amon, and Tarloq not only provided a nice contrast, but I also love when there are multiple villains who don’t get along. It felt like a natural extension to The Last Airbender. Despite my complaints above, I really love Season 2, up until that awful final battle. I loved the conspiracy with Verrick (even thoughI saw it coming a mile away), Ezna was a really great character, and I was really enjoying the whole “there are no sides” thing. But I don’t like Harmonic Convergence (more on that in a minute), and I’m not a fan of Beginnings. And, er, well, [url=https://i.redd.it/uk50yql6dk811.jpg]you know[/url]. Now, my relationship with Season 3 is.. Complicated. On one hand, Lynn is my favorite character, and I loved the Zao Fu bit. Water arm lady was really flippin’ cool, and despite my initial skepticism, lava bending was pretty sweet as well. While I don’t like [i]how[/i] new airbenders came about, the way they handled afterwards was done well, and the way Zaheer learns flight, and Bolin learns lavabending both really encapsulate the spiritual side of bending. However, I don’t like Harmonic Convergence, and it spontaneously creating a bunch of new airbenders was probably its worst offense. Korra also, like, doesn’t have a character arc? She’s just chasing down Zaheer the whole time. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, if it’s a villain-centered story this time around. But, while Zaheer’s philosophy is pretty interesting (air is the element of freedom. He’s basically the perfect airbending bad guy), his actual goals are just “Kill the world leaders, kill the Avatar”, which is kind of boring. Season 3 also feels like it leans really heavily into flare, and spectacle, with super cool fight scenes, and new bending abilities, etc., but spectacle doesn’t do much to impress me, leaving its plot feeling a little.. Bland. But, Season 3 doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and when you also put it up with Season 4, it’s actually pretty good. Zaheer nearly killing Korra sets up her character arc in Season 4, and by killing the Earth Queen, he sets the stage for Kuvira’s (Kuvera?) rise to power. There’s this really great scene in Season 4, actually, where Zaheer and Korra are talking in prison, and Zaheer expresses genuine regret for paving the way for Kuvira. But, both Season 3 & 4 have a big missed opportunity, and that was skipping over Korra’s recovery. Now yes, we did get the episode Korra Alone, which is probably my favorite episode, but jamming it all into a single 23 minute time box was such a shame. Now, maybe a super depressed Korra who can barely walk, struggling to get back to her former strength isn’t what people are watching the show for, but personally I would’ve tried to trim down Season 3, so that Zaheer is beaten by Episode 8, and leave the remaining 4-5 dedicated to purely teling the story of Korra Alone. Not even that, actually, just her time in the South Pole. I think by having these Korra centric episodes, with very few supporting characters, would help us, the audience, really start to [i]feel[/i] Korra’s isolation. We’d get the letters from her friends for some Kuvira foreshadowing, as well as helping us understand how distant she felt, a better grasp of her struggle to get back on her feet, and just a better sense of what Korra was going through during this time. Then, Season 3 could end with Korra supposedly setting sail for Republic City, only for her to be nowhere to be found when Season 4 kicks up. I’ll hold off on giving you my full opinion of Season 4, though, as I haven’t actually finished it.

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  • For season 1, i still would've preferred Amon to be a spiritual energybender, kinda like an evil, young gurur pahtik, but we've had that discussion and i get why he ended up being a bloodbender instead. My favorite part of the Legend of Korra is from the beginning of season 2 to "The Sting", which is the episode right before Beginnings. That six episode segment might make season 2 my favorite season of TLoK, despite the terrible ending. As far as the new airbenders go, i watched a Hello Future Me video on it and he had a pretty good theory as to why the new airbenders started existing. Since all of the new airbenders came from the northern part of the Earth Kingdom near Ba Sing Se, he theorized that some airbenders from the northern air temple escaped the Fire Nation genocide and integrated into the Earth bender culture. These lands are close to Ba Sing Se, so its likely that the Fire Nation wouldn't have been able to reach them in the early stages of the 100 years war. The new aribenders are the descendents of the refugees, so they have latent airbending genes from their great great grandparents. It's not a perfect theory, and i don't think it was ever confirmed to be canon, but it still works for me. The big hole is that, throughtout both atla and korra, nobody except Aang seems to believe that airbending could possibly still be around outside the Avatar abd Tenzin's line. And that can still be true for Aang's time, since the airbender refugees would be over 100 years old, but then wouldn't their airbender descendents reach out to the Aang, especially after the 100 years war was over? Besides, even if the writers did come up with new airbenders based on this theory, would it have been so hard to give Tenzin like 2 lines of dialouge explaining this? Instead, we got hurr durr spirit world did it. I thought season 3 was the most consistent of all the Korra seasons and it's biggest flaw (aside from spontaneous airbending), was actually a result of the ending of season 2. Season 3 felt a little bland because we just came off of THE UKTIMATE BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, and there's no real way to follow that up. Not every season has to creep up in stakes, but, since Korra already took care of the biggest, baddest meanie they could think up, going back to national politics doesn't seem high enough. If Korra could defeat Vaatu, then she could surely beat up on puny Zaheer, who just got airbending. They mitigated this issue pretty well in season 3 because Zaheer outsmarts and outmanuevers Korra rather than fighting her head on so he still remains a threat, but i think it's worth mentioning. Another complaint of mine is that, from the beginning of season 3 and onward, the Legend of Korra distances itself from the 1920s/30s setting. For me, this is a shame, since i abosutely adore the 20s setting; it is such an interesting culture to play around in. In season 1, you had the biplanes and the probending and flat caps and factories and thise weird lookin racecars. In season 2 you got the Nuktuk movers and Verrick's battleship and Bolin's fancy outfit and all manner of small details that make the 20s setting so rich. In seasons 3 and 4, all this awesome 20s stuff starts to disappear, or at least take the backseat. You do have the Ba Sing Se slums in season 3, but that's all i can think of that's 20s. Shiro Shinobi doesn't have any lines outside the little recaps they do before the episode begins, Verrick plays more of the scientist role rather than a businessman, and we see less and less of Future Industries. Part of it is because they spend much less time in Republic City and more time in Zhou Fou, and Zhou Fou isn't a bad setting, but it doesn't really exemplify the 20s/30s like Republic City. Zhou Fou is meant to be the technological outlier, where all the progress and new research and new technologies is happening, but Korra and the gang spend so much time there in seasons 3 and 4 that it doesn't feel like an outlier. As far as Korra Alone goes, i think Korra gets enough screen time. A big part of season 4 is accepting that actions have consequences and that extends to inaction as well. The world goes through a big shift as a result of Korra's inactivity and her encounter with the spirits and Zaheer, and i think emphasizing the consequences fits the theme they were going for better. Ima stop there, for fear of hinting at potential spoilers, but those are just my thoughts. Also, putting a long epilouge after the climax with Zaheer might be an odd section where the plot has no direction and no main antagonist.

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  • [quote]For season 1, i still would've preferred Amon to be a spiritual energybender, kinda like an evil, young gurur pahtik, but we've had that discussion and i get why he ended up being a bloodbender instead. [/quote] Pahtik wasn’t a bender though. He knew the way energy flowed through the body, but couldn’t directly manipulate it. It would have been a pretty significant stretch for them to say that Amon learned legitimate energybending. As Tenzin said “No one besides the Avatar has ever possessed such a power.”. [quote]My favorite part of the Legend of Korra is from the beginning of season 2 to "The Sting", which is the episode right before Beginnings. That six episode segment might make season 2 my favorite season of TLoK, despite the terrible ending. [/quote] I’d go so far as to say if you remove Beginnings, then it’s my second favorite season all the way up until the end. I really loced the themes they were gong for. [quote]As far as the new airbenders go, i watched a Hello Future Me video on it and he had a pretty good theory as to why the new airbenders started existing. Since all of the new airbenders came from the northern part of the Earth Kingdom near Ba Sing Se, he theorized that some airbenders from the northern air temple escaped the Fire Nation genocide and integrated into the Earth bender culture. These lands are close to Ba Sing Se, so its likely that the Fire Nation wouldn't have been able to reach them in the early stages of the 100 years war. The new aribenders are the descendents of the refugees, so they have latent airbending genes from their great great grandparents. It's not a perfect theory, and i don't think it was ever confirmed to be canon, but it still works for me. The big hole is that, throughtout both atla and korra, nobody except Aang seems to believe that airbending could possibly still be around outside the Avatar abd Tenzin's line. And that can still be true for Aang's time, since the airbender refugees would be over 100 years old, but then wouldn't their airbender descendents reach out to the Aang, especially after the 100 years war was over? Besides, even if the writers did come up with new airbenders based on this theory, would it have been so hard to give Tenzin like 2 lines of dialouge explaining this? Instead, we got hurr durr spirit world did it. [/quote] Oui, I’ve seen it. It still doesn’t quite sit right with me. Even with airbender genes, it seems weird they’d just spontaneously get airbending, Harmonic Convergence or not. Going along with Hello Future Me, I like his proposed solution; that they learn airbending from the sky bison. It’s as HFM said; “They even have an island of highly spiritual people who have been raising sky bison since the 100 Year War! It’s like they knew what I wanted and just threw it out the window!” [quote]I thought season 3 was the most consistent of all the Korra seasons and it's biggest flaw (aside from spontaneous airbending), was actually a result of the ending of season 2. Season 3 felt a little bland because we just came off of THE UKTIMATE BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, and there's no real way to follow that up. Not every season has to creep up in stakes, but, since Korra already took care of the biggest, baddest meanie they could think up, going back to national politics doesn't seem high enough. If Korra could defeat Vaatu, then she could surely beat up on puny Zaheer, who just got airbending. They mitigated this issue pretty well in season 3 because Zaheer outsmarts and outmanuevers Korra rather than fighting her head on so he still remains a threat, but i think it's worth mentioning.[/quote] I mean, sure, except that Korra only beat UnaVaatu with [url=https://i.redd.it/uk50yql6dk811.jpg]GIANT SPIRIT LASERS[/url], which she hasn’t done again since, so it’s not too unlikely she’d have a hard time fighting Zaheer head on, especially with his team of wacky bending weirdos. I dunno, I didn’t mind (and actually greatly preferred) the lowered tensions, I just felt Season 3 was missing something. Neither Zaheer nor Korra felt like they had a very strong character arc. I think that’s why I want them to draw out Korra Alone, because it gives Korra that emotional struggle I’m craving. [quote]Another complaint of mine is that, from the beginning of season 3 and onward, the Legend of Korra distances itself from the 1920s/30s setting. For me, this is a shame, since i abosutely adore the 20s setting; it is such an interesting culture to play around in. In season 1, you had the biplanes and the probending and flat caps and factories and thise weird lookin racecars. In season 2 you got the Nuktuk movers and Verrick's battleship and Bolin's fancy outfit and all manner of small details that make the 20s setting so rich. In seasons 3 and 4, all this awesome 20s stuff starts to disappear, or at least take the backseat. You do have the Ba Sing Se slums in season 3, but that's all i can think of that's 20s. Shiro Shinobi doesn't have any lines outside the little recaps they do before the episode begins, Verrick plays more of the scientist role rather than a businessman, and we see less and less of Future Industries. Part of it is because they spend much less time in Republic City and more time in Zhou Fou, and Zhou Fou isn't a bad setting, but it doesn't really exemplify the 20s/30s like Republic City. Zhou Fou is meant to be the technological outlier, where all the progress and new research and new technologies is happening, but Korra and the gang spend so much time there in seasons 3 and 4 that it doesn't feel like an outlier. [/quote] I both agree and disagree. On one hand, I really love the 20s aesthetic, on the other, I love the art deco (I think that’s what it’s called?) style of Zao Fu. The rest of the world is still catching up to these technological powerhouses, so when they’re anywhere else Korra does lose that old timey charm. I’m liking Verrick’s redemption arc so far, though. I feel like they knew people liked him, and decided to come up with a way to make him a good guy again. They probably needed to drop the “money at all costs” schtick for that. [quote]Also, putting a long epilouge after the climax with Zaheer might be an odd section where the plot has no direction and no main antagonist.[/quote] Exactly! Korra feels worthless. She can’t fight—she can’t even walk, all of her friends are out there helping the world, and she’s stuck in a wheelchair. It would’ve felt pointless, and depressing, like we were suddenly cut off from everything that was going on. Which is exactly how Korra was feeling. It would have put us in her shoes. We would’ve gone from an intense action packed fight to this slow, crippling experience. *slams my hands on the table* We need more wheelchair Korra, Blueberry! More wheelchairs!

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  • Sure, Pahtik wasn't a bender, but do you even have to be a bender of the elements to be an energy bender? Pahtik definitely leans more to the nonmagical side, but he does make Appa's bad dreams go away and he shows Appa where Aang is. How he did that isn't very clear, so it could be related to energybending or it could be completely nonmagical. I will say it's pretty much the same thing Aang used to find Appa in the foggy swamp and i think Korra uses it at some point too. Part of the reason why i want amon to be an energybender is because we know so little about it, despite it being one of the most powerful techniques. I mean, we only get a few lines from the lionturtles in Beginnings and the last episode of Atla. I need mooooaaaaaarrrr Both solutions for the airbebders are cool with me, but i suppose havinv the bison keepers being airbenders wpuld've worked too. Although those folks would have already had a great grasp on airbender culture, so it would've been harder to make that Tenzin training episode and it would've been more difficult to set up the airbender international police in season 4. (Which i don't mind because i don't really like the airbenders in season 4) Yea, both Korra and Zaheer were really static characters in season 3. It had that book 2 transitory vibe where it technically has its own plot, but it really exists to set up for the finale. I much prefer the 20s setting because, to me, it's simply less common than the sci-fi Zao Fou setting. Zao Fou is unique with the lotus flower walls and stuff, but the 20s style really set Korra apart from other sci-fi/fantasy stories, so i was a little disappointed when the dropped it. I also like Verrick's redemptiom because he is my favorite character, but when goes from businessman to scientist, i feel like he loses some of the 20s style as well. He loses those fancy shmancy waistcoats and pants and his dialouge has less 20s syntax in it. Like, in the very first scene with Verrick way back in season 2, i couldn't hardly understand waht he was saying because he was using a bunch of weird words and metaphors that nobody uses anymore like moxy and tigershark. By season 3, he talks more like the stereotypical eccentric scientist. It's not bad, and it fits with the Zao Fou stuff, but i think 20s is just cooler. The cool part about season 4 is that there's 2 parts to Korra's arc: the sympathetic, wheelchair, accept what happened part and the political disaster, Korra messed up part. I think, by focusing more on the Earth Empire mess, they're trying to emphasize that the while issue is a mess that Korra created by refusing to get better. So, when the wheelchair stuff has been resolved, Korra taking responsibility for the disaster in the Earth Empire. There probably should've been more wheelchair, but too much wheelchair will cause the viewer to sympathize too much with Korra, and, instrad of being in Korra's shoes, you're more in Korra's mom's shoes, who thinks that the mess in the Earth Kingdom is not Korra's fault. Honestly though, it can go both ways, which is such a genius writing move. If you did have more wheelchair, all you'd have to do interject the outside politics every once in awhile to keep the plot moving forward, albeit very slowly. They should've used your restructured season 3, but also delve deeper into the rift between Su and Kuvirain season 3, which would've been an immense helo for setting up season 4. It cane out of nowhere how Kuvira had 2 lines in season 3 and then suddenly became the big bad of season 4.

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  • [quote]Energy bending[/quote] Good point, I did forget about Pahtik telling Appa where Aang was.. I think it was less energy bending, though, more reading the world’s leylines. But, I guess that’s kind of your point; we [i]don’t[/i] know how this stuff works. I think I like it that way, though. Part of why I dislike Harmonic Convergence is it demystifies the Avatar. We know why & how the Avatar exists, and it’s a little less compelling that way, I think. [quote]Airbenders[/quote] Oh, bad wording on my part. I don’t mean the fire monks were airbenders themselves, just that they kind of help guide people with the potential for airbending towards being so; by learning from the sky bison. There is the question of this version as to why Tenzin & Korra would start rebuilding the Air Nomads out of nowhere to begin with, and how Zaheer specifically would’ve learned it, but y’know, whatever. I like and dislike the vigilante airbenders. They’re just kind of goofy, and ridiculous, and I don’t completely know how I feel about them. I dig those glider suits, though. [quote]Verrick[/quote] I guess it’s worth noting Verrick’s 20s lingo didn’t even phase me. I understood it all perfectly, and disn’t even bat an eye at it, so I didn’t notice as much when it disappeared. I do miss those waistcoats, though, but to be fair, Kuvira does seem to have a pretty strict dress code. :p [quote]Wheelchair Korra[/quote] I don’t think more wheelchair time would’ve dampened the whole “it’s Korra’s fault” bit. In fact, I think it’d strengthen it. We’d get several episodes from Korra’s perspective, with the much more understanding, but also much more passive Katara, driving the sympathy bit. Then you’d get Korra Alone as a transition, before getting the bit with Toph—who’s a lot more blunt about it. Our sympathy would build up a lot more, sure, but rather than push against the idea that it was Korra’s fault, I think it would come as a revelation, both to Korra and the audience. The plot could get driven forwards by the letters. You’d hear about Mako getting assigned to Wu, Bolin joining Kuvira, and Asami’s business beginning to boom. But, we’d get all that information through these optimistic letters, so that we never see the real gravity of everything going on until Season 4. [quote]Kuvira[/quote] Yeah, that struck me as odd. Kuvira was supposedly Su’s protégée, but, like, then where was she when Zaheer attacked Zao Fu? It would have been a lot better to see her as the villain if she was along for the ride with Zaheer. (though, I do remember one of Zao Fu’s captains introducing herself to Tonraq. Was that Kuvira? I don’t remember.) [quote]20s aesthetic[/quote] I missed where you said it, but I definitely agree that the 20s aesthetic during the first few seasons was the best one. I just also don’t mind the direction they took it with Zao Fu.

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  • See, i'm the opposite way with the demystification of the avatar; i think it enriches the actions of all the future avatars. We can trace back the function of the avatar all the way back to this one specific point, so then we can see how the conception of the avatar's role has or has not changed over the years. It kinda sucks that the explanation was dumb; slightly ruins everything else. But i can totally see why mysterious magics can be so appealing. Im not sure what to do about the airbenders; maybe have a great air spirit (like an aur equivalent to Twi and La) show up and teach Tenzin how to learn airbending from the bisons? Ok, i can see where you're headed with the whole wheelchair Korra thing now. So at the end of alternate season 3, there's a fake resolution where Korra thinks she's all healed up and headed back to Republic City but then is actually still disabled at the start of alternate season 4. That could definitely work. One of the things i love about the avatar worldbuilding is all the what ifs and rewrites we can ponder because everything is so interconnected. Stuff like: what if Zuko had killed Firelord Ozai on the Day of Black Sun? What if Aang wiped out Azula, Zuko, and the Dai Li at Ba Sing Se and recaptured the city? What if Lu Ten hadn't died at Ba Sing Se? I think Kuvira waa always there in season 3, she was just in the background playing the role of a grunt, with very little influence. If you look carefully, i think you can see her pop up every now and then in some of the fight scenes.

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  • [quote]See, i'm the opposite way with the demystification of the avatar; i think it enriches the actions of all the future avatars. We can trace back the function of the avatar all the way back to this one specific point, so then we can see how the conception of the avatar's role has or has not changed over the years. It kinda sucks that the explanation was dumb; slightly ruins everything else. But i can totally see why mysterious magics can be so appealing. [/quote] I think it depends for me. In this specific case, I feel like keeping things kind of ambiguous would’ve been the right way to go; because there have been [i]a lot[/i] of Avatars. It happened so long ago, that not knowing how it all started added to this feeling that the Avatar has always been there. I also liked that the Avatar was the bridge between worlds. It means a little bit less when Wan gave himself that title.. >.> [quote]Im not sure what to do about the airbenders; maybe have a great air spirit (like an aur equivalent to Twi and La) show up and teach Tenzin how to learn airbending from the bisons? [/quote] I think it would’ve (ironically) been best to do something more down to earth. Tenzin (or maybe Korra?) deciding to try and restore the Air Nomads. That way it feels more like the character’s goals, rather than some divine mission. [quote]Ok, i can see where you're headed with the whole wheelchair Korra thing now. So at the end of alternate season 3, there's a fake resolution where Korra thinks she's all healed up and headed back to Republic City but then is actually still disabled at the start of alternate season 4. That could definitely work. One of the things i love about the avatar worldbuilding is all the what ifs and rewrites we can ponder because everything is so interconnected. Stuff like: what if Zuko had killed Firelord Ozai on the Day of Black Sun? What if Aang wiped out Azula, Zuko, and the Dai Li at Ba Sing Se and recaptured the city? What if Lu Ten hadn't died at Ba Sing Se?[/quote] Yeah! Except, no alternate Season 4. The events never actually change, it’s just moved from a flashback episode to the end of Season 3. The flashbacks in Korra Alone would no longer be spanning 3 years, but just the six months since Korra left the South Pole. Hm.. I just realized, I never pondered any rewrites for ATLA. That’s kinda weird, because I ponder rewrites for everything! [quote]I think Kuvira waa always there in season 3, she was just in the background playing the role of a grunt, with very little influence. If you look carefully, i think you can see her pop up every now and then in some of the fight scenes.[/quote] Which is even weirder, honestly, because; A. Kuvira is kind of, like, super strong? If she [i]was[/i] there during Season 3, how come she was so insignificant? B. Su said Kuvira was like a daughter to her. Kinda weird that she doesn’t have a bigger role.

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  • True, true. I wish the Lionturtles had given Wan the titlw of bridge between worlds. Them and energybending are the last holdouts since pretty much everything else has been demystified. It'll probably never happen, but i do hope we get a prequel showcasing a new avatar that we haven't seen before or have a massive show where each season is dedicated to one specific avatar. Better yet, have a show with a bad avatar who can't or won't keep the balance. Have the main characters been some weaker benders or nonbenders desperately trying to survive in a totally unbalanced world because their avatar is garbage. I don't really like the timeskip in season 4. All the main characters are now officially adults and therefore are automatically more boring lol. And the technology jump doesn't make any sense, especially with the mechs. Mechs in the 20s isn't very realistic, but at least in season 1 they were pretty rudimentary. They were basically just weaponized forklifts with limited mobility and shooty arms. But, only 3 years later, these mechs are super sleek, have retractable arms, a flamethrower, a lightning blast, grapple hooks, automatic doors for the cockpit, and a full human range of motion, which can be controlled with little to no training. To me, this is the offical break with the 20s setting. Kuvira should've had a bigger role. I remember watching one of the last episodes of season 3 and seeing Kuvira's name for the first time in the credits. I was so confused because there was a named character that i didn't even realize existed!

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  • [quote]True, true. I wish the Lionturtles had given Wan the titlw of bridge between worlds. Them and energybending are the last holdouts since pretty much everything else has been demystified. It'll probably never happen, but i do hope we get a prequel showcasing a new avatar that we haven't seen before or have a massive show where each season is dedicated to one specific avatar. Better yet, have a show with a bad avatar who can't or won't keep the balance. Have the main characters been some weaker benders or nonbenders desperately trying to survive in a totally unbalanced world because their avatar is garbage. [/quote] Personally, I actually want them to keep going into the future. Imagine in the future, the intro could be like “Air, Water, Earth, Fire, only the Avatar...” and on screen it’s showing each of our previous Avatar heroes. An Avatar who’s terrible at their job could be interesting. I don’t think an Avatar refusing to keep balance is possible, but one that can’t could be neat. I don’t see how it could work, though; the Avatar is, like, literally just better than everyone. :p [quote]I don't really like the timeskip in season 4. All the main characters are now officially adults and therefore are automatically more boring lol. And the technology jump doesn't make any sense, especially with the mechs. Mechs in the 20s isn't very realistic, but at least in season 1 they were pretty rudimentary. They were basically just weaponized forklifts with limited mobility and shooty arms. But, only 3 years later, these mechs are super sleek, have retractable arms, a flamethrower, a lightning blast, grapple hooks, automatic doors for the cockpit, and a full human range of motion, which can be controlled with little to no training. To me, this is the offical break with the 20s setting. [/quote] I didn’t mind the timeskip. I do find the mag rail a little unrealistic, but am actually fine with the mechs. Just because it doesn’t follow the technological progress of our world doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense. They developed mechs before we did, so it makes sense they’d get more advanced. Plus, Verrick is, well, Verrick. He seenms to have an unnatural grasp over advancing technology. [quote]Kuvira should've had a bigger role. I remember watching one of the last episodes of season 3 and seeing Kuvira's name for the first time in the credits. I was so confused because there was a named character that i didn't even realize existed![/quote] Yeah, I think I remember one pre-Season 4 Kuvira scene, and that’s it. Frankly, she was so useless against Zaheer, they should just let him out of prison, and let him take care of it. He could have that spirit energy cannon down in three days, tops. :p

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  • Wheelchair pro bending!

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  • Cool Cool, fair enough. I really loved lava bending as well and season 1. I think I need to rewatch it though. There was this video I watched recently where it touched upon the great lengths the animators went through to get all of the fight scenes to work as well and as fluent as they did, especially with Tensen and his multiple layers of clothing. Unfortunately they went through Crunch to achieve it and even sleeping within their offices. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVcHW50nTUk]Here is that video[/url]. Do not remember if it spoils all of season 4. I actually got completely lost with Zaheer and his talking... I think that is why I needed a re-watch but the evolution of air-bending being flying... How did that caught me off guard? Meh.

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  • Lava bending was cool, but I like the explanation it had in ATLA better; a combination of firebending and earthbending, rather than a rare earthbending trait. Oh, and don’t get me wrong, the fight scenes definitely looked awesome, and I was really happy to see Tenzin beat Zaheer when they fought one on one. Cool fight scenes by themselves won’t ever sell me on a story, though. You can give me the best jamblasted fight scene in the world, but if the story surrounding it isn’t great, I’ll ultimately remain unimpressed. This is what I mean when I say Season 3 relied heavily on spectacle. The fight scene between Tenzin and Zaheer was [i]awesome[/i]. I loved it. But the reason why they were fighting felt a little shallow. Don’t misunderstand, protecting the airbenders was important, but, like, it was a very surface level conflict. Aside from showing that Tenzin’s willing to put his life on the line for the people he cares about (which we already knew), there wasn’t any deeper reason for the conflict to exist. I really love the flight scene. It’s definitely one of the highlights of Season 3. Zaheer only learns to fly after P’li (P’lee?) is killed. Establishing a relationship between the two was really clever, because it served the purpose of showing P’li as Zaheer’s earthly attachment, and only once she was gone could he truly let go of his earthly tether, and be free like wind.

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  • Fair enoughs! I think that just motivated me to re-watching it!

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  • [quote]”You did it, Aifos! You did the thing!”[/quote] -Verrick, after Aifos convinces Odin to rewatch LoK, probably

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