I disagree. I had over 3200 hours in D1. I would say anyone with less than 1500 is on the casual side.

yeah I hear ya, I guess it depends on if they took any breaks. I don't consider myself a casual because when I played d1 I played for 5-10 hours a day for weeks on end, but I did stop after I hit max light on my chars, and I never played rise of Iron. I only have 650ish hours. So I guess it's relative to a few things. But I certainly don't think people with 1000 hours are casuals at anything. Being a casual of something means you aren't familiar with it, but you enjoy it here and there in small doses. 1000 hours seems like a lot of time to become familiar. I mean if I told my friends I'm a casual gamer with 650 hours logged they would laugh at me.

Yeah those are all good points. I have been playing consistently since day one. I took a couple breaks but usually only when I was at max level and waiting for the next DLC. I would probably define casual as someone who doesn't play any endgame content. No raids, trials, iron banner, or nightfall. Even if you have thousands of hours but it's just doing crucible, patrol, and strike playlist I would say you were a casual. Which is ok I guess but the game shouldn't prioritize casuals.

I had over 1300 in D1 [spoiler] thought I was a filthy casual too.[/spoiler]

that's impressive, but no you are not a casual. I played d1 for 10 hours a day some days with my RL friends and we stopped here and there, but when we did play we would play for 5-10 hours every day weeks at a time. None of us have more than 700 hours. You may be a casual skill wise (those are called scrubs no offense) - but you aren't a casual destiny player if you have 1300 hours.

I made sure I did all the raids at least once. There's a couple raid exotics I don't have and never went flawless but I did play quit a bit. If I had a regular group to play with I may have played more.

I would go one further and say most casuals never even do the raid. Raids in mmos aren't known as "casual activities"

I have over 10,000 hours in chess. I guess playing casually with friends despite not being anything like a grandmaster makes me a smurf. /s My friends have over 10,000 hours in Halo 3 custom games playing fat kid and the like. Super MLG brah they should go play against Str8 Rippin /s I have over a thousand hours sitting in orbit. Am I hardcore? By your logic, essentially nobody is a casual in any sense of the word. Now can we stop pulling "casual this" "not a casual that" and focus on the real issue?

Sigh a casual player is someone who plays each expansion for 40 or so hours and stops each drop. There were 4 expansions. Casuals play for maybe 40-50 hours and stop. Then return later. They don't play for the entire duration of a game. If you do any activity every day you don't do it casually. "Are you a casual swimmer?" "Yeah I swim for an hour every day but I'm a casual." See how stupid that sounds? Vanilla +4 expansions x 40-50 hours each is 200-250 hours. He has close to 1000. Use your head please. And yes in both your lame excuses you aren't a casual. Anything you do for 10,000 hours you aren't a casual. Yeah I played chess for 10,000 hours but im a casual. Christ. The term casual gamer isn't a literal term; it has nothing to do with the actitivies you do and everything to do with the amount of time spent playing.

Why are we attaching numbers to how we define “casual”? It’s an opinion as to what casual is only because I can put a lot of hours into a game but I still consider myself to be a casual player. I’m not trying to be a top scorer, top elo score or whatever, don’t play competitive PvP like trials, non max power to raid, and play to have fun. I respect your opinion on what casual is, so respect others...but the definition of what casual means is not the issue with this game...

Fair enough. I do respect people's opinions just not when they argue facts. Just because you consider yourself something doesn't mean you are that. I consider myself a very good gamer, but I know on the grand scale I am not. I consider myself a casanova with the ladies, many would disagree. So on and so fourth. I agree that's not what's wrong with the game, but people (not you btw) that want to argue and throw out ridiculous theories behind what they think casual means, isn't what casual actually means. That's all I'm saying lol. Yes this has nothing to do with the issues of the game, but OP wrote this post claiming to be a casual. There's people that have 200 hours logged in D1. I'd call them casual gamers long before someone with 800 more hours of playtime. I did every raid, every iron banner, every other event, had every exotic, every class to max light and I did hundreds of pvp matches before I skipped rise of iron, and I only have 650 hours in d1 despite playing for 5 hours plus a day when I was playing. So I'm a casual then? Lol

3,000 hours is a long time but can put a lot of time into activities and still consider yourself casual. I just don’t think a number defines what casual means more than what the persons actions are when playing. I put a lot of time into the game, but mostly fart around doing a lot of nothing, don’t raid, don’t play trials, don’t play the competitive play list, don’t do NF, and have 0 char at max energy. I play when kids go to bed and once my wife goes to bed if I’m not falling asleep. So I consider myself a casual because there is nothing else to do at that time so I jump on.

Then you play destiny casually - you're not a casual gamer. Two diff things. Using fishing as an exanple. I camped on a river in the summer where we put our rods in rod holders and fished literally all day. But we were drinking around the fire not paying attention. When the bell rung, we reeled them in. That is fishing casually. The time amount is irrelevant because of the activity itself. On the flip side, someone that would have been standing in the river with waders on actually holding his rod all day - would not be fishing casually. One of the people there fishes at least once a week. Eventhough he too was fishing casually, he's not a casual fisherman because he does it frequently. Me I fish maybe 5 times a year if that - so I'm a casual fisherman. These are real life things with real life definitions buddy. Not my opinion on it. One means time spent, one means how you spend that time doing said activity. They aren't the same thing.

D1 was out for 3 years. 1,000 hours total equates to approximately 0.91 hours per day. How is playing less than an hour a day not a casual Destiny player? Maybe the console is turned on daily... maybe other games are played exhaustingly. But as far as Destiny is concerned... it wasn’t even in the console for an hour a day. Bungie likes to run their statistics by blocks of 3. They always spouted on about so many people play at least 3 hours a day. This person didn’t even play 1/3 of that. The time logged by this person wasn’t even relevant enough for Bungie to even catalog and add to any graph or chart. So how exactly have you come to the conclusion that 1,000 hours in a game over the course of 3 years is a disqualification to be a “casual gamer”?

Lol because casual gamers play 2-4 hours a week not the same game every day for 3 years? Lol.

I must have missed that memo. Who sent that one out? What research is there to back it up? Can you name source material? Do you have any other counterpoints that you’d like to divulge, in the interest of due process? And why “lol”, as though you are the end all be all of the definition of the casual gamer? I work around 60 hours a week. This is certainly not a casual thing. I play games for maybe 10-16 hours on the weekends depending on what I need to do around my house. That adds up to 2,496 hours over the course of 3 years when calculating from the 16 hour high end. But that’s only playing 2 Days a week out of a total possible 7 Days. That’s less than 1/3 of the week. Could you really call this anything but casual? Given enough time, anything will stack up to astronomical numbers. That’s just math.... Honestly, I really don’t care one way or the other. I just found your original statement to be quite absurd after running the numbers. And now I find it even more absurd how you defend it so shamelessly. In the end it’s all a matter of opinion. Unfortunately, your opinion doesn’t have any legs to stand on. What good is an opinion if you just chuck it out there at face value and don’t bother to back it up with anything tangible and concrete? Is today’s youth really that lazy?

first of all I'm probably older than you, and second of all you're a complete moron if you think playing something for 2,496 hours makes you a casual. "I -blam!- my wife 2,496 times a year, but we just have casual sex." lol ok. Casual sex is defined as "sexual activity between people who are not established sexual partners or do not know each other well.". Now take that logic and apply it to gaming. You're welcome. If you play something frequently, as in, every week over the term of 3 years, it isn't casual at all. Casual player would be playing it for 30 hours and then stopping until the next expansion. (see the "do not know each other well" part of the definition above) Players that continue to play throughout the duration of 3 years, know the game well aka it's no longer a casual encounter. I don't even know why you're arguing simple logic. In fact one of the definitions of the word casual, is "not regular or permanent, in particular.". Tell me how in your brain you think playing something for 3 years is viewed as "not regular", or how playing a game for the entire duration it's been out is viewed as "not permanent." Also 10-16 hours a week is 10-16 hours a week, regardless of how many days are involved. Casuals play for 2-4 hours a week. You play for 5x+ that amount, thus, you are not a casual. If you want to go and argue with the dictionary about what casual means, you can go right ahead.

Did you really just compare casual gaming to casual sex? Really?.... If that’s your basis for this discussion then I suppose there is no point. I said this whole thing was based on opinion... neither of us is right or wrong. We just have different view points. Yet, you insist that you are right. Odd. Maybe you should consult a dictionary on the definition of an opinion. Or better yet, don’t. Every dictionaries are written by people. Each one by a different person. Each one has different meanings for different words. Sure, some correlate, and some deviate. Some have added meanings to coincide with modern vernacular and publicly accepted street slang that has been indoctrinated into the current social dynamic. So why consult a book that by it’s very definition, has no relevance to anyone that doesn’t subscribe specifically to that book and it’s contents? Maybe I want to build myself a dresser. I would need to go get the building materials. Possibly research some ideas and set up a plan of attack. I would then use my spare time, the weekends, to construct this piece of furniture. Maybe I want it to be extremely ornate. Hand carve lavish detail into the wood. Put multiple layers of stain and varnish. Really go all out. It takes me 3 years to complete this detailed piece of hand crafted furniture.... on my weekends. Is that not the very definition of a hobby? I’m not paid to do it. I don’t do it every day. Just in my free time. I casually pick back up where I left off. Do what I can, while I can, then I get back to the hum drum of the every day work, kids and sleep. I know in your head you believe yourself to be right. And that’s fine. But it’s very closed minded and makes you come off as a pompous idiot. Especially when you compare gaming with sexual encounters. That’s just childish and frankly, weird. Also, presuming to know my age is fine as well. But really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn’t worry too much about that though. I would hate for you to be upset over more irrelevant material.