Lol, aside from no rumble and random game types it's much more fun. Abilities are used as a primer or finisher but you can't crutch on them to replace gunskill. Map design and loadout prohibits special weapon crutches and supers are no longer an easy button. No more -blam!-ing ridiculous artifacts. Weapons work in their intended roles and there is actually some weapon diversity. But everyone can't be pleased so sorry you don't enjoy it.

You're exaggerating heavily. I've been doing extremely well solo. People see a team of 4 as a fireteam in a clan and expect God Tier players every time. That is grade A cynicism. It can't just be 4 casual friends enjoying PvP? I've steamrolled plenty of fireteams so far playing with randoms.

Pvp is better. Stay with your team, don't try to lone wolf.

Can't wait for you and your ilk to nerf my hard earned raid gear! :) I loathe and detest how much PvP shackles this games true potential. How long till you PvP (insert ban worthy insult) people send a game wide, weopon wide nerfnado our way again? My money is before the months out.

D2 PVP on Beta looked bad. Glad I didnt buy.

It will hold you back. If you feel negative towards the crucible, maybe try a different approach. study it like a noob. we all have to adapt. Even veterans, after 3 years of muscle memory, instinct and countless scenarios. You cant force it. It will only limit your capability to improve if you don't like what you're doing.. and it will leave you frustrated. If that occurs just let it sit for a while, there's enough content to enjoy. on a side note: FCK SUPREMACY.

You've had my initial reaction, but for some strange reason I'm on a positive KD for the first time in Destiny. Only 1.1 mind, but I averaged out at 0.8 in D1. If you're a strictly solo player, stick to Quickplay. I find it the same as D1, just smaller maps and teams. Although you are a bit stretched in Control with only 4 players. Grab 2 points with 2 players each, ignore the 3rd so you know where the enemy team spawns. Competitive is supposed to be just that. Find a team, or just play smarter. Survival is in the name. It's as much about staying alive as getting kills. Dont rush around corners and through doors, break off from fights youre not winning, etc. Countdown... all 4 rush one target to plant, split into 2s to defend. Plus... the rewards are good. I was having such a bad match of Survival I was on the verge of quitting. Stuck it out with gritted teeth...exotic engram at match end!

PVP seems good so far, all you can ask for is it to be balanced quite well (not perfectly) but everything is definitely usable. Other than that don't come complaining about how people play and choose to use what they're given. That's just the game, people should use teamwork.

If this is terrible for you, go back to icebreaker-wormwood-hand-cannon-ability-spam the game, commonly referred to as d1. This is so much better, all abilities and one-shot weapons have been put in check as they should have in d1. People need too rely on gun skill and their teammates which is a good change in a game where you have to work with other people to accomplish objectives

So what you are saying is... That you want crutches in destiny 2 since you arent good?

Reading all the comments, I just don't get a lot of what you guys are talking about. I play crucible a decent amount but would still consider myself a PVE player and whenever I que solo, I still break a 2.0 KD and even just played one match yesterday solo where I got a 3.0. I was using an origin story auto rifle for up close, skyburners oath scout rifle for distance and a tarantula. No Mida multi or mini. The PvP in d2 (at least the competitive playlist) is the most fun I've had in crucible in a long time.

First, lets start with no grenade play because they're underpowered and you get one every 5 min basically. Next, no movement. Everybody is huddled up with scouts and autos and pulses (because HCs suck) just trading shots at the other group of 4 until someone dies. Nobody is pulling in air shots, skating, or shade stepping. The game feels dumbed down. Thirdly, there is no skill gap anymore. Destiny was unique in the fact that if you were good you could 1v3 a team. Instead now we catered to bad players by destroying the gap. Goodbye 1v3s, montages, and watching lumi go off with a shotty or kraftyy going off with a sniper. Last, i cant stress it enough...YOU SCREWED UP BY REMOVING SPECIAL AMMO!!! How can you tell me a shottgun or sniper is equivilant to a rocket launcher?? One takes skill and one doesn't. It should be a no brainer. Can't believe I wasted 60 bucks on this trash. Fix your game bungo...spread the skill gap and force bad players to get good. For those that say shotgunning took no skill: using a shotgun (competitively) took skill. Im talking about elim and trials....using a shotgun took skill because the person on the other team had one as Well and there is a skill gap with how crafty you can get with a shotgun. These are the reasons why luminosity would destroy with a shotgun in trials even though everyone on the other team had one aswell. I used to make plays with a shotgun that would out perform other peoples skill with a shotgun. And sometimes they would play me. Skill gap comes from having multiple things in your arsenal and mastering them all, not just sitting back with one primary and trading shots. In d1 you had to slide around corners because of snipers, stay in good positioning because of being rushed by shotguns, and watch tight corridors because of grenade play. In d2 you literally just step out with a primary and trade shots like some call of duty bs. This years pvp feels really bad...and before you say get good go look at my stats. My kd is probably stupid high because this "pvp" is so easy with no individual skill play. In d1 towards the end (before sticky and sidearm meta) i was avging a 1.7 kd in trials doing carries because i was an all around good player. D2 pvp is wack. P.S. 4v4 is a stupid idea for trials, 3v3 was the perfect number.

Solo pvp is frustrating as hell. I get destroyed by teamfire. Did a couple of fireteam matches with my clan. All bad pvp players and we stomped the crap out of our opponents.The gap is just to big.