Final Edit:
Originally this post was supposed to focus on how the community was preemptively defending the addition of microtransactions, but at almost 1,000 replies later, it's kind of mutated into something else. Also, I probably won't be responding to anything in this thread anymore. It's outlived its purpose, so just let it die.
Recent data mining has revealed some new items in the form of consumables that buff things like XP gain and drop rates. It is still speculation at this point, but the timing of these items along with a few other clues points to most of (if not all) these items being available for purchase at the Eververse trading company. Let me say it again; this [i]is[/i] currently mere speculation, but fairly well informed speculation nonetheless.
[b]AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DEFENDING IT[/b]
They are saying the benefits are small, don't really matter or give anyone any sort of an edge (already bullshit.) But seriously, though. In response to an argument I've already seen far too many times:
Pay-to-win does not actually mean pay to [i]win.[/i] It means paying real money to get an advantage over those who chose not to. We payed $140 dollars for this game with the expectation of being put on a level playing field, fairly competing for in-game goods with the expectation that effort must be put in to get what we want out. In a game in which, from launch, it was made clear that while the game was free, players could (and would be encouraged to) exchange real money for in game goods, this system works and is perfectly acceptable. But this distinction must be made clearly and immediately. For Bungievision to now be blurring the lines between the two, while enjoying the benefits of both, is unacceptable.
By the way, notice how things have been going around here for the last few days? First, it was "I'm okay with emotes, but shaders should stay as things we earn."
Next, "I'm okay with cosmetic items, but nothing that will help in gameplay."
And now, it's "I'm okay with small beneficial items, but nothing too big." So then, what's next?
Sooner or later, this is happening. Take a stand.
And now, a message for Bungie:
Very soon, Destiny will be facing quite a bit of new competition from games like Fallout 4, Black Ops 3, etc. This is no time to be testing the loyalty of your community. There has already been a large outcry against this, and many players have already threatened to leave. Please, Bungie. Don't do this to yourselves, to destiny.
(I'm still not entirely convinced this isn't all just a plot by Activision to get people to jump ship to BO:3.)
And if any of this does come true, my fellow guardians, have fun on Bungievision's wild ride to an empty game.
[spoiler]Sorry if this all seemed a bit incohesive. I just wanted to get this all out there.[/spoiler]
EDIT:
I think quite a few points being brought up can be explained by reading the following comment chain in this thread:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/162643536/0/0/1
View replies, read original comment first, then my rebuttal, and so on.
EDIT 2:
The drop-rate buff items have been denied on Twitter, but all points made here are still valid both on principal alone, and if/when this is considered in the future.
But this is good. We made noise, and forced Bungie's hand to address the issue. Maybe this community does still have influence after all?
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If it affects my gameplay i.e. ammo, weapon parts and such that's it for me.
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2 RepliesEdited by AGC Twitch: 10/14/2015 3:13:00 PMHere ya go. http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=181613460 Remember the datamines that showed a HOW RAID? OMG!!! it never happened. And neither will what you are describing. I'll just wait for your reply.
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I paid over $200 $80 midnight release $40 DLC $50 bought for next gen $40 DLC Like...this needs to stop..its ONE game, and even AFTER all the DLC, its smaller than any Bethesda game... STOP BUNGIE
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Maybe, maybe not, could be. You are the polar opposite of supporters. They defend without knowing the full story and you attack without knowing the full story. All of you are sad. Maybe or maybe not. But by golly I better post about it.
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dude they got cut just like the volley exotic launcher
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1 ReplyWho says you have to buy it?
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6 RepliesIf silver EVER starts gravitating towards other in game items (i.e. Armor, Weapons, Exotics, ect.) I'm quitting Destiny. I'll spare you the boring story about how much I love this game and how I've been here since the beta was released, Bungie is on some seriously thin ice right now. So if Destiny does become pay-to-win then I'm out. I'll have officially lost all faith in Bungie.
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Boohhoooooooo
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Edited by Silver: 10/14/2015 3:20:54 PM
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5 RepliesHey guys I have an idea, why don't we get super overly dramatic about something trivial in a video game?! Oh no wait, we've already done that...
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Those things were already in the database. The drop rate increase consumable were the only things ever close to p2w and those were scrapped before TTK released.
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7 RepliesEdited by TheBigChicklet: 10/14/2015 3:07:05 PMI don't understand why people are freaking out. I look at it from the Y1 Gjallahorn perspective. EVERYONE wanted that thing. Some were blessed by RNG, others weren't. People threatened leaving everyday because RNG was not blessing them with the mighty Yally. Could be they didn't have the time to invest in mining strikes and raids and NF's and IB, etc. Maybe some have "real jobs" (filthy casuals to the eliteists) and only play weekends. But should they never get their hands on good gear? What if they DID get the Y2 version of the Yaller. You really think they're going to be better than you because they got some gear? A hard core player with cash could go max level on day one, but odds are, that player would be there pretty quick anyway, so what's the big deal? They don't understand the grind, they still suck at the raid, and cash doesn't make you shoot better. (See: Tom Brady and Deflategate for parallel. Gear doesn't replace skill, no matter how hard you believe it will.)
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PLEASE ACTUALLY READ EVERYTHING BEFORE FORMING AN OPINION/POSTING. THIS INCLUDES BOTH EDITS. [b]ESPECIALLY[/b] BOTH EDITS.
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1 ReplyLol go check Luke smith's twitter(:
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As long as things stay cosmetic and increase drop rates or exp gains for things I'm fine with that but it's when you start paying money to get special weapons and gear or items that max a weapon or armour out to the highest light level giveing players advantages that way would be complete bs
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1 ReplyI very much dislike you. Please jump into oncoming traffic. I did not read your post. Don't wanna waste my life reading something that will lower my IQ.
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3 RepliesPay to win...no no no It's use a sunbreaker to win! Current Iron Banner = whichever team has more sunbreakers wins.... how do you beat 2 sunbreaker charging into a control point? You can't...you just die.
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3 RepliesConfirmed wrong by Luke smith himself on his twitter. He posted it today at 3am. wrong wrong wrong
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Oh look more conspiracy theories...
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Oh look more conspiracy theories...
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Sign here if you support what bungie wants to do. Remember someone else getting an xp buff or a drop buff is not affecting you at all. And it gives bungie money to produce better content.
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Your title could just as easily be "This may not even be happening, and some idiots are already saying it will" Lets just all wait and see what happens, eh? instead of jumping to conclusions?
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I think its fine aslong as it stays completly cosmetic
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3 RepliesWhat is she selling besides emotes? I don't understand how emotes give you an advantage.
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I'm about to quit this game. It's taking over my life..... And my wallet.
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I hate Micro Transactions. The purely cosmetic stuff isn't too bad. However, if it goes any further I think many, myself included, are done with this game. It's a great game and I love it I'm just not going to buy a gun with real cash. There are other games that implemented micro transactions without going down that road. Only time will tell.