They nerf shot package.. NEW SCRUBS ARRIVE IN THE FORUMS "oh my god I can't counter a shotgun I'm so terrible so imma go to the forums and whine like a little bitch so they can just take out shot guns completely"

I'm sick of seeing snipers. Stop being a coward hiding at the back and fight me like a man. I would love them to buff fusion rifles back so they are viable again, though. Shotguns have been nerfed several times. Maybe you just need to change your playstyle, or learn that if you charge a shotgunner, you're going to die. Yeah, I know about the supers. That Golden Gun has killed me far more than any other super in Iron Banner right now. They need fewer shots or something. That and stormcaller. Man they just clear my team out. I will agree with the light level thing, though, but it's been that way since the very first iron banner, so I don't think Bungie knows what they're doing with 'power curves'.

More like Conspiracy Theory-DDos. One of my friends got killed by it in iron banner and it crashed his game.

Some people just won't be happy until shotguns are removed from the game.

Yup. They are still overpowered.

Shotguns are now fine, stop whining or gtfo

Unfortunately it seems as though Bungie just haven't been able to wrap their head around the fact that shotguns continue to be overpowering and overused in PvP. Regardless of range drop-off tweaks and removed abilities on the weapons themselves, it's still fairly easy for a player to rapidly close a gap between an opponent and themselves in order to get that one shot in with a shot gun while being able to absorb whatever damage most weapons can dish out in the time that takes, in medium to close range situations. Add to this the fact that ALL of the PvP maps are close-quarters, and there is always a radar on that gives you the ability to know when an opponent is in close proximity, and you end up with a situation where 75-80% of the players involved are using shotguns in some capacity, while the top of the leader board is usually occupied by someone using a shotgun first strategy, in almost every situation. If I was to offer a suggestion for fixing the issue it would be that the proximity radar was either limited/reduced, or simply done away with altogether (except for players with the Knucklehead Radar or a weapon with the Third Eye perk), while further tweaking was made to allow for a better balance between shotguns and other weapons in medium to close range engagements. I'd also go as far as making the shotgun a two shot kill at any range when hitting the torso, and shots below the waist to have a severe drop off in damage.. I'd also completely do away with any slug-type, one shot kill rounds. Basically I'd make it so that the shotgun had about as much critical range as the swords and then, only in situations where the shot landed was in the optimum area on the opponents body. Edit - I have no problem with the SB Titans other than to suggest that it possibly gives a bit too much armor to the player using the ability. Still, I killed several Titans in the middle of their special last night with my primary weapon and, you can hear a Titan activating and using the ability from a mile away.

Just faced an entire team of people shotgun rushing... This is not fun Bungie.

-blam!- it I'm getting tired of constantly hearing this, what subclass would you like Titans to use? The striker subclass that is basically used defensively to stop other supers? The bubble subclass that can be shut down by every other super AND nets you almost no kills unless someone is stupid enough to challenge you inside the bubble? Jesus Christ Titans had the worst PVP supers in the game year 1 and now we're going to use the only good offensive super that we have. Once it gets nerfed you guys will still probably whine about it, even though the warlock can pretty much wipe your entire team in the blink of an eye. we all know how strong BD and GG are also.

The problem with shotguns isn't the weapons themselves. Essentially it can be drawn down to 2 huge issues: 1. All one has to do to kill with a shotgun is get close. In this game, that is very easily done. Guardians have unlimited sprint that is much faster than most other games, and hunters/warlocks have blink, which can cover the distance in an instant. 2. The map design is catered to a CGC play style. Think about all of the maps in this game. 90% of them you can run from end to end within 10 seconds, and are filled with narrow hallways, small rooms, and even the open areas are littered with debris and landscape that one can hide behind. Most maps allow mid range at best in some areas, but you never get an all out long range war like you do in first light, bastion, and skyshock. Shotguns cannot be fixed by nerfing them, because they were never the problem.