[quote]As a person that doesn't pvp much at all I'm not sure why you're challenging that idea so vigorously. I suggest spending a week in the crucible trying to use your bow effectively and then come back to the discussion.[/quote] Ah, so you want to start throwing shots? This PSN is 3 weeks old, my main I abandoned way before TTK... I also didn't play Destiny from November until about June, but anyway I'll get straight to it. You have 4800 games played, yet you're most kills in a game & highest ever game score are abysmal. 31 kills is your highest in one game... With a highest game score of 4330.... So that tells me you were camping for those 31 kills too, because there is absolutely no way you would get such a low score with 31 kills if you were killing people while running objectives & it was in control. My highest in control is 52 kills & 10,500... my highest in Mayhem was 39K and should have been even higher if it wasn't for a few mistakes at the end. One extra little stat for you... Score Per Game Avg Top 1% #51 6,435.56. That's my SPGA Total, showing me at #51 globally. Clearly I am no scrub in PvP if I'm in the top 100 of any part of it. So don't give me your bullsh*t as though I'm a PvP rookie, I'm good at every game I play, and I don't need to sit playing almost 5,000 matches on ONE game before I understand how to actually win and do well. Clearly whatever you are doing, is not working for you, because you are garbage trying to act like you're good in PvP... Only have to look at my rumble stats on my main to know I'm no new kid. I had Alpha/Beta and day 1 release characters. Other PSN is RadicalSpirit , just for reference.