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Edited by flounder102bass:
10/24/2019 10:37:55 PM
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Leave Recluse alone please
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the gun. What is wrong is yous that complaint about it due to that fact of no experience in pvp.
This is a close range weapon, there are other guns that can out beat it like shotguns scout rifles and pulse rifles. You just need to learn how to encounter it.
: Update: wow alot of comments
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[quote]There's absolutely nothing wrong with the gun. What is wrong is yous that complaint about it due to that fact of no experience in pvp. : Update: wow alot of comments[/quote]
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1 ReplyI say leave Recluse alone too. I don't have any real issues with it in Crucible and I'm just average. Leave it the -blam!- alone.
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I am seeing more kids than recluse but that’s just my experience, and agree no nerfs, it’s just a fun weapon.
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18 RepliesIts fine as it is.....Huckelberry with its catalyst is better. Better range, auto reload, rampage that didn't get nerfed plus the 10% buff all SMG's got and it hits harder because its a primary. Recluse is a good gun but it not OP. It can get out gunned by any shot gun at close range. In PVP its only really good if you have a 1v2 where master of arms can kick in for the second kill but any fast shooting shotgun can do the same thing. The "issue" with Relcuse...and its not really an "issue"......that causes people to be butthurt is that Recluse is in the hands of players good enough to get the gun in the first place. If you can't get the gun I could see why you are salty but Huckleberry is better in PVE and probably just as good in PVP.
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6 RepliesRecluse is a joke if you counter it with special weapons like Shotguns and Fusions. All the people dying to it are probably using auti-rfiles in a close range against it lol. On console Recluse is garbage compared to other meta weapons like NF.
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Problem isn’t recluse. Problem is other guns and lack of good perks
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Edited by BabEHBanana: 10/25/2019 2:20:29 AMFirst off I do not have it and yes I've taken some beatings from it. I personally don't think it needs to be nerfed currently due to you can counter it with other weapons. Yes those flying ninja players jumping around with it killing you is irritating sometimes but its more fun than turning a corner and being one shot by a shot gun meta.
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1 ReplyYeah! I just got the damn thing. Dont screw me like you did with OG ghally. I didn't get that drop till the week before they killed it, lol.
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It's a close range weapon that requires a kill then has 5 seconds of being powerful while still needing close range. Guns fine as is, I have 25 pvp kills on mine due to the banner quest and have no issues dealing with it, the gun competes at shotgun and fusion range and will be destroyed by them
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I've come to realize that most of the nerf calls in this forum come from quickplay crucible players (pvp wise) and it doesn't matter how good, bad or average a thing is, they don't seem to have the attention span to pay attention in 6v6 so they perceive everything that kills them as broken. You won't change their mind either. Trust me. Their feelings don't care about facts. PvE it is an amazing add clear weapon. But, what isn't?
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11 RepliesPulses, scouts, snipers, shotguns, HCs- these can all out kill a recluse user... I would say the majority of those people asking for a nerf don't have the weapon themselves...
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2 RepliesIt took Bungie how long to nerf Luna's? A year? The nerf to recluse will come but it probably won't come for a long time. The gun is 100% op and needs to be nerfed now though.
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No weapon should allow body shot damage to be equal to headshot damage for that amount of time. All you have to do is hit any shots and the other person is melted.
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2 RepliesIt’s going to get nerfed, it’s just a matter of when.
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Recluse is in a good place problem is the mountain top need a major nerf.
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2 Replies[quote]There's absolutely nothing wrong with the gun. What is wrong is yous that complaint about it due to that fact of no experience in pvp. This is a close range weapon, there are other guns that can out beat it like shotguns scout rifles and pulse rifles. You just need to learn how to encounter it. : Update: wow alot of comments[/quote] Dude ur prob just one of those people who just got recluse because you sweated for it for the past 40 hours. U prob just used to be bad in crucible but now ur actually “good” and you don’t want anything to mess u up
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Edited by BraddyBo: 10/27/2019 4:10:41 AMBody shot damage shouldnt be the same as crit damage, thats why its completely broken. Master of arms should last 3 seconds with body damage doing 17 damage which is still a 50% buff. The only counter to master of arms is to run away, thats it. Recluse is the most broken gun in the game (erentil #2), people that deny this are either protecting their pubstomping tool or it allowed them to climb out of their negative kd.
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1 ReplyThe perk shouldn’t be able to self propagate. Should only proc on other weapon kills
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1 ReplyThe problem with the weapon is that it's supposed to be "Pinnacle PvP gear" meaning it is awarded for skillful gameplay and gunplay. But Master of arms makes it so that you can throw aiming out of the window and be rewarded for braindead play on Call of Duty like bodyshot aiming. The fact that MoA is procced on other weapon kills makes is a good pairing for many loadouts, but the fact that it makes the enemy body the head makes it braindead as a pinnacle reward concept.
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After watching Enroar’s video I’m of the mindset that it’s not brokenly OP but it’s still stronger than most exotic SMG’s, and it’s a legendary so there’s definitely a slight problem there. IMO they should make Master of Arms only activate off recluse kills, instead of activating off any gun kill.
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1 ReplyThe title made me remember this.
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6 RepliesOn principle alone, either Recluse needs nerfed or every other damage perk in the game needs buffed. One of those things is easier and that's probably what Bungie is going to do. I'm going to completely ignore PvP, that's just beating a dead horse. In PvE, there is no weapon that gives you the amount of value per effort that Recluse gives you. Let's say you have an SMG with Rampage. You score a few kills but have to reload and lose rampage. You get lucky and finish off one enemy with the first few shots and the first stack of rampage and that stack nets you two more kills. You get Rampage x3, a notable bump in damage for a short while. Let's say you have an SMG with Kill Clip. You rattle off some shots on a near-dead enemy, finish them and reload. You get a fun bump in damage, more than Rampage. Let's say you have an SMG with Multikill Clip. You get a kill, reload, get kill clip and get lucky and manage to score three kills with one kill clip and reload. You now have Multikill Clip, giving you more damage than Kill Clip or Rampage x3. With Recluse you get (and bear with me here) a single kill with any weapon. Master of Arms activates. Your damage is already higher than Multikill Clip x3 and you get a buff to reload speed. Why on Earth would anybody with a brain use anything other than Recluse literally ever? An aspect of your game that invalidates other aspects of your game that we're intelligently designed by people paid to design them is bad game design, whether we like it or not. Don't get me wrong, I use Recluse in PvE and I'm not going to stop until they nerf it because I have no reason not to. That's a bad thing.
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4 RepliesEdited by Swiftlock: 10/25/2019 12:42:53 AMNah. You missed the point. The problem with Recluse is that it defeats the purpose of using almost any other SMG. That's just bad game design, and bad design should always be called out and remedied.
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PvP side: Don't even need to get a kill with it to get a what 30% damage buff. So just shotgun ape a kill and then switch to recluse and watch people melt. PvE side:............. It is just stupid at how it is the the absolute emperor king of clearing trash mobs. There is zero reason not to use recluse as your primary in PvE just due to the sheer amount of power it has at killing trash mobs. OP: "It isn't OP you just suck git gud !!!!!!!"
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My issue is that is quite noob friendly, you don't really have to have a good aim to use it. I think if they took the aim assist down on it then it wouldn't need nerfing.
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It is not as good as everyone things and is used too much.
