I support anything thing that gives us a raid that doesn’t suck. If you thought skull was gonna be left as is at the intro of a new raid, come on.... Ace of spades... hardly noticeable. Whisper, cool it’s basically black spindle, and spindle was the go to dps weapon. What I disagree with is the treatment of the pinnacle weapons. I have several and actually only use them in pve as their are far better pvp options. These guns however are not handouts and should not be made useless, nor are they gamebreaking... an fr4 beats lunas and not forgotten 100% of the time.

The Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten changes were necessary. They've been rampaging through Crucible for too long. We don't have enough on the exotic armor nerfs. Once we see the data then I'll decide on whether I like it or not.

The issue isn't the nerfs themselves provoking the anger. Its the fact, once again, Bungie just does what they want, and disregards the player experience. They cite a lack of build diversity in their decision to go forward with the nerfs. But they do nothing to address the issue of cores, which is also contributing to the lack of build diversity. They also do nothing about the large numbers of underpowered and gimmicky exotics that offer no real power gains to the player....which is also fueling the lack of diversty. No...again...take the path of least resistance and just BREAK the toy trains so that you're forced to play with the blocks. Because its important to THEM. While doing NOTHING to make playing with those blocks any more enjoyable for the players.

Balance and weapon variety. Can do multiple phases instead of cheesing.

Cause we’re actually rational and not being all “BuNgIe’S tHe WoRsT! tHeY’rE tHe OnLy CoMpAnY tHaT nErFs StUfF!” Yeah, no. EVERY game experiences nerfs. EVERY developer wants their end game content to be difficult. There isn’t a SINGLE game developer that wants to build every end game encounter around only a handful of items. It’d be worse for the game if Bungie has to keep working around the fact that Whisper can have infinite ammo. Bungie wants people to actually RELY on their teammates to recharge their supers, not only a few exotics that give back super energy after used the Super! Yet none of you take that into consideration. All any of you have been doing is leaving hate for Bungie nonstop, because they want to balance their game. And MAYBE Bungie does have plans for SUPREMELY underused exotics, but didn’t list those changes as a LOT of them may actually require big reworks. Oh, and the “Just buff other stuff!” argument isn’t an answer. That’d quite easily cause a loop where they just need to keep making things stronger, until the game is WAY too easy.

Are you downvoting everyone who provides explanations/disagrees with you?

Because, it’s.not.that.serious! I think some of y’all forget it’s a game. My bills, now THATS important. Bungie has been doing this same thing for 5 years, people complain, “boycott”, buy the next dlc/annual pass and they keep the cycle going. If you all were really that mad, delete your characters, delete your game, and don’t give one more single penny to Bungie.... but of course that won’t ever happen. New patch will roll out, they will all download it, play it, forget they were mad about the nerfs and then find new things to complain about. I’ve been seeing it for so damn long. But 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not supporting them for every single change, but I DO see their stated points and actually can understand them (except for the Sleeper change which seems more weird than anything else). As for me, my interest for games goes beyond than just playing them. As someone who is interested in game development, it is fascinating to see a game from a different side and, most importantly, what it takes to fit your own visions into an industry standard and trying to meet consumer demand at the same time (even if it doesn't work on every level which is more or less a natural thing). In terms of Destiny, while not having any insight of course, I can only imagine what a pain it must be to meet all the criterias people always loved about the endgame stuff like Raids. A Raid need to be challenging. Same as the bosses. Also, it should be interesting enough to not bore you but also not overly complicated that a every run weeks in lasts several hours, right? Then there is the sandbox. Make bosses cool and mechanical interesting without making them spongy or plain stupid BUT give players the satisfaction to actually KILL the boss with your guns (it's a FPS afterall) in a fashion we experience as fun and exciting. Oryx was a special case. Fantastic fight, yet you defeated him by pure mechanics involving blights. For some people or even the devs, realizing it later, that might be boring because your loadout simply didn't matter in the end. They changed that later, with Aksis. Now it matters, cause damage was applied by players, not scripted. Riven also can be defeated with pure gunfire. Feels very different and good. Yet forces problems: it is too easy and mechanics can be entirely skipped which literally wastes all the work the Raid designers put in. Kingsfall took a full year for them to make. And only god knows how long they were working on Last Wish. The nerfs we have seen so far were simply made to preserve a challenge without going into a massive power creep state, which we met with Whisper. A state of power creep makes it harder and harder to design content because you always have to keep that stuff in mind. And what happens when you are not using that said gear? Right, it becomes impossible or content in general takes longer than needed (remember the consumers demanding new content though) at some point. A point which isn't fun anymore. Sure, an overpowered gun can be fun, yes. But no matter the future content, it renders everything else, even design decisions, useless. There is no other reason. And they stated these reason more or less in the TWAB. Hard to accept and maybe hard to understand for a gamer alone, it simply needed to happen.

Nf/Luna nerf - nf especially is overpowered. I have both, it’s like easy mode against non nf players. I don’t even use it in QP because it feels wrong. I like the change to 150, I don’t like the change of how the perk works. I think they should have done this stepwise. Change it to 150, if still too powerful then change the perk. Ace - good nerf. gun is still very powerful, just slightly less. It already does everything, taking perma kill clip away by making is semi permanent is a fine change. This is the correct way to nerf a weapon. They also gave a bullet back. Super granting exotics - lazy design that were already broken. Ursas and shards are appropriate power level now I think, but bungo going ahead with another nerf, which I can’t figure out why. Skull and Orpheus rigs nerf is fine - they will still be powerful. Orb generation wasn’t nearly as prevalent when they were introduced. I really wish they would make them do something interesting rather than bland old “gain super back.” Whisper - this one I don’t understand. I think they should have just made it more difficult to proc the ammo regen. Perhaps put the ammo regen on a timer or, just make the recoil worse. People like weapons with a high skill gap. It was hard to get, but should do something incredible. Sleeper - meh, I didn’t even know ricocheted bullets did more damage. I don’t have an opinion on this. Lord of wolves - I don’t ever use the gun? Is it even a nerf?

At first, I was a little irritated. At least I thought I was. Then I realized I really wasn't. it's just a game. Buffs n' Nerfs happen. That's just the lay of the land. We have absolutely no idea what's coming, just nerfs. There's also cool stuff coming. We just don't know yet. I feel like there's a ton of entitlement here by a bunch of folk (not you exactly) that is a bit flabbergasting. I grew up in the NES/SNES era. I just really like to enjoy the games, not really focus on what makes it bad. I love the gunplay. I love the mastery factor. Love to explore. Love to grind. Love to PvP. Love to PvE. Why should I waste my time and get mad at something that isn't my life, but a VERY small fraction of it?