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Edited by WWF98bc:
10/9/2015 6:13:14 AM
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So shot package is being removed
What everyone thoughts on this?? Me I think it didn't need to be remove because now people will bitch about rangefinder if they get killed mark my words it going to happen.
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Yes that might be needed to get removed. But the other perks I hope will get more attention that support close combat.
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1 ReplyPvP crybabies won't be happy until shotguns are rendered useless. The PvPers clamoring for shotgun nerfs are too stupid to realize that the map sizes are the real problem. Maps with narrow chokepoints and tight corners are a playground for shotguns. Anybody calling for a shotgun nerf is a total moron.
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I barely used shotguns anyway I used fusion and sniper however I only used them for quests in crucible
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Lol I got mint shotgun full auto and underdog it is good don't need rangefinder
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the people emigrate from fusion rifles to shotguns (because Bungie fu/ks the fusion rifles). Now they are destroying the shotguns, how we going to use againts other people ? paintball guns ?
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10 RepliesI think it's unnecessary; do you see other games removing laser sight for a lesser spread on their shotguns? No.
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Of course it's going to happen. This is because of DEVs incompetence and usual "half work" philosophy that you can find all over the game. Rangefinder needed to go as well: *everything* that allow the shotgun to 1 shot kill anyone at more then 1 meter, need to go, IF you want to balance shotguns in PVP. How hard is that to understand? Ask a Bungie DEV.
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Who cares. I still shotgun these sad children with my Felwinter as I laugh knowing it doesn't have shot package but wrecks havok. What'll they nerf now ?
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1 ReplyShot package isn't the problem... It's the ungodly -blam!-ing range.
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This weekend a shot-package Party Crasher Y2 dropped for me.... I was like "meh, will be shit next week".... Back to topic: I hope this will curb shotgun range somewhat, I always thought that "found verdict" was perfect in terms of fire rate and range, Felwinter and co are ridiculous (and I have a hammerforged felwinter plus a few party crashers/matadors). I also began to like the Chaperone and think it will be even better after the patch (not to mention Invective and Universal Remote which will come back big time)
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3 RepliesI think destiny community is the biggest group of crybabies I've ever seen in the gaming community. Constantly crying for nerfs because they die, griping about xur selling exotics, griping about people who get good stuff from raids. So on and so forth. Never seen so many crybabies . And the result is the game now having rare weapons basically being equal with legend arise and exotics imo . Should have separated crucible and PvE weapon and armor ratings a long time ago imo. I'm not trying to offend anybody. Just my opinion
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1 ReplyI really never get owned that hard by shotguns TBH, and I always have a sniper in my special slot. Like yeah every once in a while someone a 1/4 mile away will get me with some Y1 felwinters, but not consistently - its usually my own fault for getting to close or missing my shots to kill them before they get close enough. People who get consistently owned by shotguns in my opinion are most likely not well rounded PVP players. The range on them could definitely use a bit of a nerf in PVP, but they are not game breaking by any means, atleast not enough to just mass delete a perk from shotguns people spent hundreds of motes on reforging. If you don't want to get killed by shotguns, stay outside the range they can kill you in. Shotguns are getting nerfed because of the overwhelming amount of people crying about it like its the only reason they suck at crucible. As if all the sudden after shotguns are no longer as useful these people crying for the nerf are going to ascend to MLG pro, doubt it. After shotguns become less useful, the masses will shift to cry about something else thats owning them. /rant
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I'm happy about it, shotguns are still to powerful in PvP. BTW rangefinder only adds another pellet.
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2 RepliesVery happy with this decision. At this point in the meta, shotguns aren't OP but they still weren't quite balanced. Granted, it's not because of shot package but it's nice to see Bungie trying. Shot package was a perk that greatly increased the range of a shotgun, to the point where something like felwinter's could kill you from boggling distances. I don't mind getting out played by a shotgun, it's when I feel that it was more of a perk that killed me than the actual player. Shotguns are becoming more and more balanced in PvP and I don't see this having huge negative ramifications in PvE since it's not one of those sought after PvE perks on shotguns anyway. Of course everyone will have their opinions but the only people I've see having a problem with this are people who abuse shotguns with shot package in PvP or the people who blindly ignore the problem with shotguns right now and chalk this one up to the "crybabies" on the forums. What they can't accept is that no one complained about shot package in particular and that Bungie saw the shotgun problem and is trying to do something about it.
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Bungie can remove w/e aspect they want, intelligent players will adjust immediately. Bungie can buff or nerf w/e situation they want, intelligent players will adjust immediately. In the end there are 2 types of destiny players: 1) Those who whine 2) Those who adapt
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Also once they inevitably ruin shotguns for the nerf baby's we will be back to the last word dominating crucible again since last word users won't have to worry about shotguns at their new optimum range. Pared with a sniper they will dominate.
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All removing shot package does is make it so you will see conspiracy theory as the most used shot gun. Shot package had a chance to miss target, rangefinder has much less chance to miss because it has a spread. This will change nothing. People will reroll their year one shotguns to rangefinder and still destroy noobs in crucible that don't know how to deal with them. Personally I find high rof snipers much more troublesome then the shot guns because they set camp in a corner and 1-2 shot you at long range. This will be the meta once they eventually get rid of rangefinder as well and make shotguns garbage like fusion rifles.
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It's not going to end with shot package I guarantee you. The crybabies are finally getting what they want. They are going to get the next thing they don't like taken out after this. Probably grenades and horseshoes.
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2 RepliesPeople seem to be rejoicing but heres the thing, my conspiracy theroy D is still a sniping shotgun and it doesn't have shotpackage. People are still gonna bitch about them "getting sniped" even after this poor attempt.
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People bitch about everything they can they don't come up with a way to beat them I never bitched about snipers(can't say that after this lol) I just accept that they are better than me and I can't sniper cuase I react to slowly when a head pops into my cross hair using the pro type guns prove this yet I loved trying to sniper loved it and shouted to my team mates when I manage to snipe 6 people in one match. Anyway people think cuase they are beating me they must be cheating or they must be using something which is unfair never does it cross their minds that they are simply better than you. Yes they have a better gun but you can get that too their are people who are better than you accept it you can get it too just don't bitch and call names.
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Personally, I think the base stats of shot guns needs looking at more than the perks. In terms of percentage gains there is no difference between individual shot guns, however physical gains increase exponentially with longer range shot guns, which is what made Felwinters, Matadors and party crashers so popular before 2.0. With them you had massive range to begin with, which became excessive range when you add in range finder/shot package. If Bungie actually reduced the range base stats of these sniper shot guns there would be no need at all to play about with the perks.
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I think they should remove red bars from crucible. That would solve ALL my pvp problems.
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8 RepliesI think all range perks should be taken out, espcially rangefinder. Go big or go home.
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2 RepliesHopefully they Nerf shotguns into oblivion
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It's a temporary removal until they sort out the range effect shot package has especially on high impact shottys. Once the fix the distance thing it will return. It's a neat perk especially in PvE, I don't like PvP much but it makes shottys dominate AR range with OHK. Calm down, it's only to assess the ranges from the one hit kill shottys on down so it makes sense. No one likes being killed at extended ranges by a shotgun that shoots pellets, slug is another story but pellets at 10 paces is kind of nuts.
