[quote]335 tryhards[/quote] a lot of the top tier players dont play pve much so they are far below 335 light. also, apparently youre just another person who defines any player who is doing remotely well a tryhard. ever gone on a 10 kill streak? well, someone like you probably called you a tryhard at some point. [quote]using sweaty weapons like grasp, mida, doctrine, eyasluna, etc[/quote] so what if people are using the good weapons. theyre in the game for a reason. who can blame people for using whats good? do you expect people to go "look at that, i had a .42 k/d and got absolutely destroyed, but it was by a full team of [i][b]sweaty tryhards[/b][/i] using [b][i]sweaty weapons[/i][/b] and i was using grim citizen and plan c which are [i][b]real guns[/b][/i] that take [b][i]real skill[/i][/b], so its a win in my book! haha! your loss, you [b][i]sweaty tryhards[/i][/b]" nobody should feel chastised for being meta slaves. its part of becoming a good player.

Hmmm don't think the sniper comment is true in the slightest.

[quote]Following needs to be fixed when Rise of Iron launches. Crucible is now uber-competitive and filled with 335 try-hards using Grasp, MIDA, Doctrine, Eyasluna, etc. No one is experimenting with different loadouts because all the other primaries are so gimped. And casual players have absolutely no chance, outside of cheap supers. [b]It needs to be shaken up and made [u]friendlier[/u].[/b] Please. For everyone's sanity. - Snipers are ridiculously easy to use because nothing pressures them, even at surprisingly close ranges, and body shot damage is very high. - MIDA feels OP as hell (like Suros, Vex, Thorn before it) - Auto rifles are [i]still[/i] 99.9% useless (Doctrine aside) - It's nowhere near as easy to hit headshots with primaries (not snipers) as it was in year 1 because of all the weird tweaks to the range stat, etc. I think this hurts casuals the most. - Hand cannons are too unstable and slow to be fun. - Titan skating is unbelievably dumb (I main a Titan and 'skating' just isn't what this class is meant to be about; it's meant to be a tank). The solution should have been higher armor to counter high agility of other classes. Other classes can counter Titans too easily through pure evasion. - CQB is absolutely horrendous. No drama because rangefinder shotgun range ends it so quickly - Melee hits on someone who is about to strike you with their super frequently do not register. [b]- Every single match is hyper competitive. That's not enjoyable. It's [i]draining[/i].[/b] I'm not playing any more Crucible until next patch. I can't stand the lack of variety. And I know I'm not the only one. My friends don't even want to play at all any more - and it's bumming out their excitement for Rise of Iron. The fun has been gradually sucked out of this game since Taken King dropped. Is it just that the try-hards are left still playing? Well, maybe make the crucible a less hostile environment for lapsed players and it wouldn't be so over-competitive. I don't want to sweat my ass off in every match. I bet it's all been said a thousand times. Monthly balance updates are needed, in my view, with an emphasis on promoting variety and FUN. /rant TL:DR - best loadouts and rolls have reached saturation point, and primaries are mostly awful. The crucible is therefore ruined, and someone needs to hit the big reset button.[quote][/quote][/quote] Totally just got double teamed in rumble I agree crucible is and as been made now for elites. I am in my 60 s and don't want any special treatment thank God bingo are giving private matches in R.O.I. then the rest of us less elites can play tidy . Even the system of raiding is set for these elites who s job is streaming and blogging may be if they are that good they dont need to double team etc not whining I know my standard

Howdy day 1..er...erer here. I have been playing the D for a long time. I recently took a break for a few months. I had about 30 days of in game time so i stopped playing. I started up again on the 20th of this month. I thought a month of playing would give me enough time to get comfy and lvl up my guys a bit for roi. Titan/Hunter/warlock all over 310 with the right gear on. I played a whole lot of pve and and pvp over the last two years and honestly this guy up here has no idea what he is talking about. The crucible is fine and yes highly competitive. Even taking months off i jumped in and was getting 2.5 k/d average a match in the latest iron banner.i used the iron banner sidearm and the jade rabbit mostly but that didnt stop me from using hard light, supercell, last word. I destoryed no matter what i used. Majority of my matchs people used autorifles and many different ones. The "meta" your refering to can ve easily countered with the right weapons and skill. You just obviously are so butt hurt that you didnt even try to counter their meta. No gun is op, every gun has a counter just -blam!-ing get use to it. The only thing i do have to complain/agree is the titan skating and shoulder charging. Those players who constantly do that are punks. They really need to put a cooldown on the should charge. But hey its not that bad because they are easily countered from mid/long range. Hell even up close use a side arm or -blam!-ing jump and you will -blam!-ing destory that titan. Peace you -blam!-ing nerds Oh p.s. too all those haters i have 9/0 trials.

"Bungie sees post" THIS GUY WANTS STUFF NERFED!! "Every gun and subclasses gets nerfed"

Thorn will reign supreme once again.....

Bungie had 'crucible' right in the first few Halos. Try-hards and headshot masters had plenty of success, middle to low level players could have fun with vehicles and a few over-powered weapons, and many maps lent themselves to having a strategy. When you over-simplify crucible to where you must have one weapon loadout, must get head shots, and limit movement due to sniping and linear maps, then low and middle level players drop out leaving no one for the semi-skilled to kill so they leave (and complain) because now they are much more likely to be matched against high skill players. The more Halo tried to appease MLG the more Halo failed. Halo had it right the first time, everyone was happy.

To be honest, I'm doing pretty good with Zhalo & Dis-47..

I think Auto Rifles aside from the Doctrine of Passing are still viable options in the Crucible. During this months Iron Banner I decided to use the Anguish of Drystan (Raid Auto) and I had an absolute blast! Granted this is just my experience with Autos but I'm sure there are similar happenings.

If it's not fun, there's this concept called playing another game. Now I know, it's a VERY strange idea, but it has seemed to work for everyone I know.

Thank you for putting my thoughts so eloquently.

You're right about the competitive part. I got on two 10 kills treats In a row on my warlock the other day.

You had me until you said Titan skating is dump.

The only time I enjoy playing Crucible is when it's Mayhem Clash. All of the annoying crap like guns and needing ammo falls away in this mode and it's just pure explosions and instant re-spawns. I love it because I can get top score consistently in nearly every match without ever having to fire a single bullet.

Just stop using the mets weapons dear, shake it up yourself

The should add game mode were the top 10 most used pvp weapons for special, primary and heavy can't be used, that would be so much fun

I'm trying to complete test weapons for gunsmith at the moment in crucible. I played about 8 games all which I've joined in progress and all of them my teams being dominated. I'm done with crucible until RoI.

I'm ok with the MIDA or Titan skating that is the game but take those cheaters(lag) out and banned them and for the laggers give them there own room

Rift is the absolute worst

I'm having fun