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11/8/2016 2:34:46 PM
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LEAVE SHOTGUNS ALONE!!
Now you've probably come in here thinking "Here we go. Another player who goes to bed after kissing each of their shotguns goodnight."
Well you are wrong. I despise shotguns. I would rather stop playing Destiny than to run around with a Shotgun in the Crucible.
So why do I think that shotguns should be left alone? They do what they are suppose to do at close range. It's aggravating, at the time, to be wrecking balled in Trials with one guy shotgun rushing but kudos to you if you do this a lot.
The main issue is the fact that when you look at subclass abilities, try and spot how many support sniping? maybe one or two? How about fusion rifles? Or maybe sidearms? Now think of how many support Shotgunning?
Juggernaut Shield. As funny as it is to see a Juggernaut Sidearm combo, you will see a shotgun out and ready for you as soon as you see the sprint shield drop. Amplitude is just crazy range. Smoke grenades slow you down and cover my screen with a black bin liner/bag filter. Tether makes mopping up groups of enemies with a shotgun child's play. Fast Twitch and a Shotgun pretty much guarantee a shotgun melee kill every time. Blink shotgunning will always be a thing. Closing the gap with Shadestep or Twilight Garrison. I could go on forever.
So either change abilities to support other special weapon types or change some of the abilities to support the shotgunning playstyle less. This will encourage using other special weapons more.
Also buffing primaries is not the answer. People will be making youtube videos shouting "Use your special weapon dude!" I think a couple of archetypes need a nerf *cough* pulse rifles *cough*. However I would like to see the lowest RoF archetypes kill the fastest but penalise you heavily when you miss a shot/burst. However that's just me.
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3 Replies[b][u]THINGS THAT COUNTER SHOTGUNS[/u][/b] -Sidearms -Fusion Rifles -Sniper Rifles + skill + luck -Shotguns -The Last Word -Hand Cannons in general -Auto Rifles in general -Backpedaling and using a primary -Grenades -Sticky Grenades -Wombo-combo -Supers -Highest ROF Pulse Rifles in general -Controlling Special Ammo boxes And the thing that almost no one has . . . SKILL !
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20 RepliesI disagree. My main thinking is that if you are good you should be rewarded. Skill should be rewarded. And in my opinion using a shotgun is not a skill. I mean you shoot whatever comes in front of your screen. And you kill in one shot? Poor bastard that tried to shoot so many bullets in you and you only shoot once and you get the kill? This is very unfair especially at this fast pace game where everybody is moving/jumping/sliding/blinking all over the map. And unfortunately people won't like if you take their speedy gameplay. That's what their used to all those years. I have no problem if you are good snipers and you one shot me if you get a headshot but a shotgun you just shoot forward and you kill with one shot? Nerfs to snipers was good. Snipers have to tactical. Its normal. Shotgun should be a resort for close combat in exceptional cases not used as the only weapon you use all the time. I think the shotguns should also get nerfs like the snipers. The shotguns should have the range of melee. But melee kills you in 2 tries while the shotgun in one at the range of melee's. More than that range shotgun's should have significant damage drop-off. They should only kill in one shot at melee range and more shots farther than this... Remember other special weapons have some disadvantages ( snipers have to be tactical and at a safe distance from a threat to be eficient, fusion rifles need to charge, secondaries have a high recoil or low precision and need more bullets to kill ) Shotguns don't need recoil, they dont need to charge , they don't need precision, and the movement and maps system even encourages close combat engages. So why shouldn't the shotguns not need a nerf or a some disadvantage? They were annoying from the first year in my opinion but now only people began to notice this because the other problems were on the front cover ( thorn, suros regime, high damage and aim assisted snipers, vex mythoclast etc. ) All those weapons were nerfed in a good way and I think it will be a stronger and more better meta now than the first year or second if it wasn't for the shotguns and some few exceptions with some pulse rifles and some few hand cannons ( we all know i suppose about what weapons are more better than others). So YES. NERF the no skill one-shot kill shotguns.
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You know what needs to change about shotguns? [spoiler]when I pull the trigger, it needs to shoot! Can't tell you how many times I've gotten the drop on someone and the damn thing does nothing...[/spoiler]
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Honestly. Let's just take a moment. Let's start using guns that aren't seen naturally or commonly. Start a trend, avoid the meta and have actual fun. Right now the crucible is adapt or die, when you play a game to have fun. Why don't we start using maybe weapons that aren't the meta? I'll even put away my blind perdition and put on a shitty khostov.
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I disagree. This isn't the way to go. We don't need any more Subclass nerfs, and primary buffs, unfortunately, seem to be out of the question due to some players' irrational fear of the ttk becoming too fast. The only feasible option is to buff Sidearms and Fusion Rifles a bit to level the playing field.
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7 RepliesI actually think there is a decent case to nerf them into complete oblivion. Shotguns are the only weapon throughout destiny that have always been good. Maybe it's their turn to be ruined like every single other weapon class has been at some point.
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1 ReplyWait, so instead of nerfing shotguns (which I agree, they don't need another nerf) or buffing primaries (completely disagree, the only reason we're having special weapons become so much of a perceived issue is due to the continued nerfs around primaries) your solution is nerf abilities? That's how I'm reading this, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. Also, get outta here with saying any primary needs a nerf, you're either joking or just misinformed on that.
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I wonder what Chris Crocker is up to these days...
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Shotguns are fine. But buff snipers and sidearms
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Blast em back boyo. Nothin saltier than a steamrolled shotty beaten at their own game.
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So what you're saying is that we should nerf fusion rifles
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Um, buffing primaries is the answer. When they do get rekt
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3 RepliesFirst of all. Matador is OP as fck. Second of all If you kill people who are tethered with a shotgun you're dumb.
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9 RepliesShotguns can't be nerfed anymore if Bungie touches them again then they will literally shoot air .. they don't work 50% of the time even AT POINT BLANK RANGE !!! They have GHOST BULLETS ! So everyone needs to stop crying pick up a SIDEARM OR FUSION RIFLE AND COUNTER US SHOTGUN WARRIORS AND DONT GET IT CONFUSED.... I been using shotty since day 1 and never switched sides to snipers
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Agreed....
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They don't need to nerf any primaries but they do need to adjust range.
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;-; i would like a chaperone buff
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I'm a sidearm user and really the only thing that supports the gun a bit are stickies. Nothing else helps so I'll bump
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Agreed
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Buff all primaries
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3 RepliesI've been shot numerous times by shotguns at scout rifle distances. That's an issue. For the record, I never use a shotgun or juggernaut with my titan. Its too easy to get kills (and I suck at PvP).
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2 Repliesif moron shotgun warriors get a shield for sprinting why can't I get one for hardscoping lol
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Edited by blade329: 11/9/2016 6:58:34 PMI like where shotguns are as well. They do what they are supposed to do, wreck you at close range. I use shotguns more as a defense, and it works. Only 12% of my kills come from shotguns, so nobody will ever accuse me of being a shotgun warrior. Besides, I have no problem if someone is one. If that's what works for people, have at it. The only people that have an issue with it are snobs who think it's beneath them to use one. That's on them, not the guns. People who scream about buffing primaries, don't really think about the consequences. Do they really want Destiny to become Call of Duty? I sure don't.
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3 RepliesMy only thing to say to this is, some shotguns need their range reduced. Just the range. And not all shotguns just a select few! The matador if the nastiest shotgun in PvP right now simply because of the range. No shotgun should have a reach that far. Otherwise, i agree with you on this post and no I'm not a shotgun runner either.
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1 ReplyBungie just needs rewind to year 1. A simpler time. if they were to buff Thorn so it's a 3 bodyshot kill (by buffing DoT back to 3) and then give TLW back the bonus damage for the exotic perk. Subclasses are O.K (Maybe Buff Gunslingers and Sunsingers) And just remove shotpackage from shotguns. Still keeping everything about yr 1 the same. Destiny would be great
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Easy way to fix this imo nerf special ammo boxs so people cant hoder ammo. Or better yet just get rid of the the perk performance bonus on all shotguns . yes most my kills are with a shotgun but thats because this is a newer account old account had more hand cannon kills then all other guns
