Typical random fire team: "Guys, just follow me, I know a trick... I saw it on YouTube" -wipe. Dude was full of crap and can't push. Soon won't matter. Better start learning. "I can't use the relic. This is garbage I hate Bungie" -wipe. Frustration at own inability to even attempt to learn a role is directed at developer. Will soon leave fireteam unannounced in hopes of finding a team that can better carry him. "Can we hurry this up? I don't have all night" -wipe. Someone hasn't managed their time. They get more angry as they lose, causing their skill to drop. Raids take time. At least we have check points. "..." -wipe. No mic. "Where do you guys need me? And do you want to try hard after this?" -wipe. Still using a blue primary with 245 damage. Is also stuck on thorn bounty. Also will leave unannounced to find a team that can better carry his ass. "Ok guys." -wipe. The one. A player who has experience, who's willing to share that information and pass on strategies they feel are effective. Might not beat the boss on this sitting. But the five players above have leaned something to take on next time. But not every team is gonna beat it. I am fully confident that every player who's currently making excuses for their lack of versatility will attempt the raid and learn the roles. I won't say "git gud scrub", because each job, even the relic, isn't as hard as you think. If you're not properly geared, then sorry. The taxi isn't going to be as easy as before. Every player deserves to beat the raid, but the game allows you plenty of ways to acquire better gear. Come back when you can help us. So we can help you.