Why is that relevant? The argument you are speaking about does not connect to the argument at hand... you're actually talking about what sounds like an argument you had with me, which is irrelevant to the point being made now. Just because in one argument you weren't doing the thing doesn't mean you haven't done the thing.

[quote]Why is that relevant? The argument you are speaking about does not connect to the argument at hand... you're actually talking about what sounds like an argument you had with me, which is irrelevant to the point being made now. Just because in one argument you weren't doing the thing doesn't mean you haven't done the thing.[/quote] You’re too blinded by hate to see the difference I guess. Doesn’t matter there is still a difference. Call me whatever bullshit personal attack you want, it doesn’t make it true.

[quote]You’re too blinded by hate to see the difference I guess. [/quote] Now THAT's what I call a personal attack.

[quote][quote]You’re too blinded by hate to see the difference I guess. [/quote] Now THAT's what I call a personal attack.[/quote] What was the personal attack, that you clearly hate me? That’s an observable fact.

I wouldn't call it hatred, more a severe disliking of the way you do things and the idea that you hold that because, in your mind, you are right, makes you right. You were literally using something personal about me (the idea that I hate you) to invalidate what I was saying. That is the definition of a personal attack. You say I hate you, I don't know what I'm talking about, and then refuse to address the logic at hand.

[quote]I wouldn't call it hatred, more a severe disliking of the way you do things and the idea that you hold that because, in your mind, you are right, makes you right. You were literally using something personal about me (the idea that I hate you) to invalidate what I was saying. That is the definition of a personal attack. You say I hate you, I don't know what I'm talking about, and then refuse to address the logic at hand.[/quote] You’re not using logic. You’re just refusing to see truth because you want to argue. Thanks for all the bumps keeping my post up at the top and still pulling up votes. If you wanna see a personal attack check out this one: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/253383322/0/0/1

So this doesn't actually show me which reply to your post you were referring to... I'm assuming It was my first engagement where I called you a hypocrite... based on the fact that I was seeing actual hypocrisy, which is not a personal attack. If my logic was "This guy is a hypocrite so his point is invalid, never trust anything he says," then it would be a personal attack. If you are, however, referring to the post I made in reply to coppertouret, that post was never intended to be argumentative, I wasn't attempting to argue with you, nor was I trying to invalidate your point, that post was meant to be exclusively personal.

[quote]So this doesn't actually show me which reply to your post you were referring to... I'm assuming It was my first engagement where I called you a hypocrite... based on the fact that I was seeing actual hypocrisy, which is not a personal attack. If my logic was "This guy is a hypocrite so his point is invalid, never trust anything he says," then it would be a personal attack. If you are, however, referring to the post I made in reply to coppertouret, that post was never intended to be argumentative, I wasn't attempting to argue with you, nor was I trying to invalidate your point, that post was meant to be exclusively personal.[/quote] Except it wasn’t actual hypocrisy because I wasn’t also doing the same behavior I was criticizing. Calling me a hypocrite is a personal attack. So is the one I linked.

My argument was never that you were not credible because you were being hypocritical, that was never the point, I was not attacking the validity of your point through calling you a hypocrite, the argument was exclusively about whether or not you were being hypocritical, it was never connected to the validity of any of your other points. As to the one you linked, I can't really argue about something when I don't know what is being argued about.

[quote]My argument was never that you were not credible because you were being hypocritical, that was never the point, I was not attacking the validity of your point through calling you a hypocrite, the argument was exclusively about whether or not you were being hypocritical, it was never connected to the validity of any of your other points. As to the one you linked, I can't really argue about something when I don't know what is being argued about.[/quote] I already know that you have no idea what you’re talking about you’re just lashing out at me personally. You don’t have to keep repeating it.

[quote]I already know that you have no idea what you’re talking about you’re just lashing out at me personally.[/quote] You're really gonna do it again. AGAIN. While criticizing me for doing it. Alright I'm done. Clearly there's no getting through to you, and clearly you aren't willing enough to try and get through to me, you aren't even willing to tell me what post you're actually talking about.

[quote][quote]I already know that you have no idea what you’re talking about you’re just lashing out at me personally.[/quote] You're really gonna do it again. AGAIN. While criticizing me for doing it. Alright I'm done. Clearly there's no getting through to you, and clearly you aren't willing enough to try and get through to me, you aren't even willing to tell me what post you're actually talking about.[/quote] I explained multiple times why you were wrong to call me a hypocrite. You don’t want to accept you were wrong. That’s on you. It’s obvious you care more about lashing out at me personally than you do making a point, or having a discussion about the game. You drop into discussions that you don’t take part in just to attack me. Twice. You serve your purpose, bumping my post so it gets more views and upvotes, but you also aren’t adding any value to the conversation about Destiny that I am trying to have. This is a forum to talk about Destiny, not to talk about people who talk about Destiny. You should focus on that instead of skimming around to talk shit on people you don’t like. Since that is the purpose of the forum.

[quote]I explained multiple times why you were wrong to call me a hypocrite. You don’t want to accept you were wrong. That’s on you.[/quote] You do realize I can say the exact same thing about you and it's just as valid, right? That's why that's not an argument that people can make. You can't say "You just don't want to admit you're wrong" as an actual argument, nor can you tell people that they can't say what they want to say. If I want to say something personal on these forums, I have that ability, and I SHOULD have that ability. If I use that as a premise for an argument, then I am wrong, but I still have the ability to say it, because you can't tell people what they can and can't say. The forums exist for discussion. Period. You can discuss anything. The main posts are limited to the topics listed, but the threads that spawn from it can be about anything, and there is no limitation to that. Nor should there be. And I don't talk shit on people I don't like, I talk shit on people who I think are wrong. I don't like you, but that's not enough reason for me to be actively doing this. If that was my only reason to do this I wouldn't have kept it up this long. I would have made an insult, left, and let it be at that. And if you don't like the way I am discussing things, then why do you keep it up? If I add no value to your discussion, why discuss with me? You could be the bigger man and leave it alone. I don't care if I'm bumping your post, I don't care about pointless internet credits. I care that I see something I disagree with, and want to make my points known. In this case in particular, I saw what I believed to be hypocrisy, clearly you don't agree that you were being hypocritical, but the evidence you have provided me with has not been compelling to me so I think at that point it's going to have to be an agree to disagree type moment, and then an argument spurred from that. This is a forum, people can talk about whatever they want. That's the point of the forum. If you can find me the rule about this forum that states "Nobody can ever talk about anything other than destiny, no matter what," then I will concede that, but I do not believe such a rule exists, because people talk about things outside of the game all the time, even outside of offtopic.

[quote][quote]I explained multiple times why you were wrong to call me a hypocrite. You don’t want to accept you were wrong. That’s on you.[/quote] You do realize I can say the exact same thing about you and it's just as valid, right? That's why that's not an argument that people can make. You can't say "You just don't want to admit you're wrong" as an actual argument, nor can you tell people that they can't say what they want to say. If I want to say something personal on these forums, I have that ability, and I SHOULD have that ability. If I use that as a premise for an argument, then I am wrong, but I still have the ability to say it, because you can't tell people what they can and can't say. The forums exist for discussion. Period. You can discuss anything. The main posts are limited to the topics listed, but the threads that spawn from it can be about anything, and there is no limitation to that. Nor should there be. And I don't talk shit on people I don't like, I talk shit on people who I think are wrong. I don't like you, but that's not enough reason for me to be actively doing this. If that was my only reason to do this I wouldn't have kept it up this long. I would have made an insult, left, and let it be at that. And if you don't like the way I am discussing things, then why do you keep it up? If I add no value to your discussion, why discuss with me? You could be the bigger man and leave it alone. I don't care if I'm bumping your post, I don't care about pointless internet credits. I care that I see something I disagree with, and want to make my points known. In this case in particular, I saw what I believed to be hypocrisy, clearly you don't agree that you were being hypocritical, but the evidence you have provided me with has not been compelling to me so I think at that point it's going to have to be an agree to disagree type moment, and then an argument spurred from that. This is a forum, people can talk about whatever they want. That's the point of the forum. If you can find me the rule about this forum that states "Nobody can ever talk about anything other than destiny, no matter what," then I will concede that, but I do not believe such a rule exists, because people talk about things outside of the game all the time, even outside of offtopic.[/quote] It’s not valid. For me to be a hypocrite then I would have to be guilty of what you’re calling me hypocritical about. Which I am not. Still. After all this time. I wasn’t doing the thing I was criticizing. So I am not a hypocrite. The point of the off topic forum is to talk about anything you want. The point of the Destiny 2 forum is to talk about Destiny 2. If all you want to do is talk shit about me and make up more lies, go there and knock yourself out. I’m not Destiny 2.

There you go again, repeating the same thing. Despite the fact that your evidence was not compelling then and isn't now. Would you look at that, you're proving me right.

[quote]There you go again, repeating the same thing. Despite the fact that your evidence was not compelling then and isn't now. Would you look at that, you're proving me right.[/quote] It doesn’t matter if you agree or find it compelling it is factually true. Much like your personal attack is factually a lie.

So... What If I just said... it IS factually true, and my argument is NOT a lie? Again, we can both do this, we both think we're right, and the idea that we are right doesn't make either of us right. And, to further that, calling someone a liar IS a personal attack. You are still doing what you are criticizing me of. You are piling on layers of hypocrisy I thought impossible.

[quote]So... What If I just said... it IS factually true, and my argument is NOT a lie? Again, we can both do this, we both think we're right, and the idea that we are right doesn't make either of us right. And, to further that, calling someone a liar IS a personal attack. You are still doing what you are criticizing me of. You are piling on layers of hypocrisy I thought impossible.[/quote] The problem is that a public permanent record of me not being hypocritical exists so I am objectively not hypocritical and what you think doesn’t matter at all in the context of reality. You are lying. The objective proof that you lie exists. That isn’t a personal attack. The layers of hypocrisy are amazing, but sadly they all settle on you.

And yet somehow people manage to see that public permanent record AS you being hypocritical. Again, you can't just say that. That doesn't make it right. You keep doing it, and you still refuse to realize that you're doing exactly what you called out other people for doing, AS WE ARE HAVING AN ARGUMENT ABOUT YOU DOING IT. I'm not going to respond to any further comments because your delusions are beyond me at this point. If you make an actual argument and stop just repeating "But I'm right," then perhaps I actually will respond to you, but if I keep hearing the same things over and over again then we are done here.