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7/11/2019 5:17:05 AM
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Traveler. Good or Evil
Some people say that “oh the traveler helped you beat the darkness, how is it evil?” But when you think about it, the darkness did not arrive until the collapse of each golden age... the collapse that the traveler caused. So what do you guys think?
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I mean, if it was evil, it wouldn't have Terra formed almost our entire system. It also gave humans the technology to triple their life spans and etc. The Darkness would have just come through and destroyed everything.
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Its neutral as far as I concerned. It does what it does out of self preservation. Neutral or not though, it helps us fight so it's on our side which is good enough for me
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To be fair, the Darkness caused the collapse, not the Traveller
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Well I wouldn’t call either of them “good or evil”. Both of them provide a very necessary cosmic balance within the Destiny universe. If we were to apply the terms “Good” and “Evil” to them, we’d only base that off of which one benefits us the most. When you think about it, the term is almost always used as a bias towards whether or not something is useful to us. How about we think about it like this. two children are at the park and they happen to be chasing each other around. One of them happens to toss an apple to a bunch of ants, which then start using the apple to feed the colony. The other child, stops and pours water down the entrance to the colony, drowning most of the ants and causing the ant colony mass devastation. To both of the children, the ants don’t really mean anything to them, because they don’t understand that the ants are actually in distress and dying a horrific death. They keep on playing because they’re kids and they are ignorant to the creatures beneath them. To the ants, the good one gave them prosperity, and the bad one gave them death. You can somewhat apply this analogy to the Traveler and The Darkness, with the exception of some things of course.
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Light and Dark isn't good and evil. They are creation and entropy. Both exist to keep each other in check. Neither is good or evil, they simply [i] are[/i]. Those that venerate then are another story. The Hive are pretty clearly evil, but don't forget that there have been plenty of light bearers that deserve being called evil: several Warlords, Dredgen Yor, other Dredgens, Lysander (arguably).
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Neither I think its a prison bus and we are the security guards
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<Let me tell you of a little place called Harmony. The Traveler arrived, gave it its own Golden Age, then actually managed to finish its work, leaving behind something called the Gift Mast to continue giving Light after it left. The Hive would not destroy it for another millennia at least. Not the Darkness, the Hive.>
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1 ReplyThe darkness has done nothing but kill and murder ever since the beginning of time, it's clear to see which one the evil one is here
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Oh man, here we go again...
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10 RepliesIf I stop a mugging and then someone else walks up and shoots the victim. How am I evil.
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Originally the traveler was supposed to be evil, but now it's a little too late for Bungie to pull the switch now. Considering that almost everything up to this point have been built on Light = good Darkness = bad
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The traveler is a parasite. The more powerful we become the more powerful it becomes. That is why guardians are so power hungry. He traveler is just using us as a mouth. I think that the traveler can’t directly siphon power from the dark so it uses guardians to sponge up all of the lasting effects of the darkness and it just takes the power.
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Neither. It wants to -blam!-ing live like the rest of us.
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Is it good that he gave guardians powers? is it bad that it hid on earth and caused the collapse Is it good that it's a beacon of humanity is it bad that it has a slave army?
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Neither, it just is.
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3 RepliesEdited by TheArtist: 7/11/2019 1:39:13 PMI think that the Traveller is neither. I think the Traveller represents Life, Order, Evolution through Variety, and Cooperation over Conflict. Sort of like the Vorlons from the sci-fi TV series "Babylon 5". While we naturally want to associate these things with "Goodness"....they can also be perverted (like anything else) to the purpose of doing harm. As the Vorlon's showed in 4th season of the show as they took to committing genocide on a galactic scale in order to try to cripple their ideological rivals: The Shadows. Like the Vorlons I think The Traveller is a Agent of Universal ORDER and GROWTH. The part of Evolution that is constantly creating new things, and more varieties of things. .....and the Darkness is an Agent of Universal Chaos and Destruction. That part of Evolution that SELECTS for FITNESS....and culls those life forms that are less fit by destroying them through prediation, disease, and lack of reproductive succcess. So neither may have the best interests of any of the various races in the game at heart. ...and Mara Sov may indeed have a point in her distrust of The Traveller....and when she said, "Too much of even a good thing can make you sick". So the Awoken---and The Drifter----may have a point in seeking to strike a balance between the two....rather than seeing one side win this conflict outright (That was the eventual resolution of The Shadow War---the proxy conflict between the Vorlons and The Shadows, in Babylon 5)
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Good discussion guys 👍
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Edited by Nuclearpath: 7/11/2019 2:42:37 PMSo in the grand scheme of things it's very hard to say. I had to vote Evil simply because from what I've seen the Darkness tends to preach more truths on the matter of life as opposed to trying to turn everything into a utopia, though that doesn't mean I feel the darkness is any less evil. Both of these entities are in their own ways evil. In the same regard they are very alike. A good example of what I'm talking about is what's known as the Sword Logic, or the Logic of the Sword. This is a practice more commonly referenced in regards to the darkness, but in essence practiced on both sides. You live your life for the traveler in order to not only survive yourself, but to allow the traveler to survive. You kill to live, and though not as literal as things like how the Hive live, it still in essence is the exact same thing. Both sides try to stifle you and brainwash you with single-minded ideologies which skew you to fight for one side. To reiterate, if I could I would say both sides are evil, neither being good in their own respects as they are. The only way to get closer to the good is to combine the light and dark, which neither side seemingly wants you to do despite there being benefits from practicing both sides.
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Neither. The traveler represents balance I believe. The darkness represents chaos.
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I don’t see how you can blame the traveler for bringing the darkness if the darkness chased it here. Thats like saying you caused the Devils heist for siva when you ran away from Trevor
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6 RepliesEdited by Grays_KS27: 7/11/2019 11:17:55 AM[quote]the darkness did not arrive until the collapse of each golden age... the collapse that the traveler caused.[/quote] The Darkness is chasing the Traveler. The Traveler created a Golden Age for every species it came to. The Collapses started every time the Darkness caught up to the Traveler. The Traveler fled, but that was never the cause of any Collapse. The Darkness attacking and destroying everything has always been the cause. So, sorry, but you’ll need to find different evidence for the Traveler being evil. So far our only “evidence” I can recall is the Traveler fleeing and letting species be killed by the Darkness, but that still makes the Darkness more evil and the Traveler redeemed itself by staying to make a stand with humanity. And the Traveler certainly had good reason to flee from the forces trying to destroy it.
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I don’t think good and evil are good terms for Destiny.
