Probably because it's the ONLY good primary archetype.

Kids will always moan about anything and everything.

I'd rather they use that than... ;)

90+% of sweats are handcannons.. i get beat by them more than any primary, yet everyone wants to nerf the only gun that can compete with it? Stupid. Oh and btw Low RoF Pulses have a 0.02 less TTK and higher range..

I was playing with my buddies and they told me to use a primary and stop using godroll Matador 64. I Got Shit on.

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Just take high caliber rounds off that gun and don't allow it on that archetype. Other wise it's fine.

I got some hate for using an NL shadow a few weeks ago.. mind you I was 3 tapping people with it because of crowd control and reactive reload.

Ppl still care?

Yea no folks said use PRIMARIES. Notice how its plural. No one meant for everyone to use a singular primary. That literally changes nothing. Tf?

It is still way too op

Bungle Headquarters: "Guys, people should use Primaries more. Any ideas?" "Let's create one single gun that makes every other gun of that and other weapon types obsolete! It should have no downsides at all. Awesome at close, mid and long ranges, awesome stability, awesome handling, extremely easy to use, extremely forgiving once you miss a shot or two, fastest killtime, etc. And it should be achievable for everyone in a few hours of playing...let's say Iron Banner loot drop with a godroll-possibility of...30%?" "Damn, that sounds awesome! The community will go nuts about it and 80% will own at least one good roll, huehuehuejueee!"

I use other guns. I personally love the nirwins. But if they ever nerf my grasp. Thats the day ill quit destiny for sure.

I enjoy my op clever dragon (look at my warlock for rolls) when I use it it shuts down anything that isn't super close range it doesn't need a nerf either because I've seen some guns outplay it

The issue isn't that people weren't using primaries.... The issue is that there is no diversity in primaries. a month ago when they said the Clever Dragon was coming for all, I called the downfall of Crucible because of the popularity of the Grasp (even though they are all dick riders and didn't give a damn about Skorri's or the Timepiece but I digress) Crucible is not fun when everyone is forced to only use one weapon. People say "Blame Bungie for nerfing primaries"[b] Naw fam, I blame you, the players[/b]. Because over a year ago, you guys were the same damn people abusing the Thorn and TLW because "Primaries sucked" when Fast Autos were good, all pulses were good and scouts were the same (The Mida being a rare sight in Crucible) Weapons that were damn good in Year 1 HoW that were overlooked were 1.Salvation State 2. High Road Soldier 3. Three Little Words 4. Hopscotch Pilgrim (before people jumped on the bandwagon) 5. 55a Allfate (This was when weapon forging was around and you can make a gun whatever you wanted) Yet, nothing but Thorn and TLW..maybe a Hawkmoon here and there. Bungie needs to buff primaries but this damn player base needs a mind of it's own and stop running to YouTubers who say " Use dis Gun or u wil suk in da Crucible" The problem is the players, not the game. As soon as 1 person exploits a primary that is unbalanced, it's the new META and you guys all use it. (Point in fact why most of you are with FWC only for the Waltz and nothing else) I have never played a game with more weapons to use in PVP and them not be used because the players do not want to. Or have no brain to try it out because their YouTuber did not make a video about it. If Bungie brought back every Year 1 and 2 weapon to Destiny RIGHT now, you guys would only be using the Clever Dragon and dick riding it until the next weapon patch...then going to your preferred YouTuber and waiting for them to exploit the next unbalanced primary to use. Rinse, repeat. It is why I quit this game a year ago and quit again last week. PVP is just a god damn joke.

I remember once when my dad gave me money to pay the electricity bill but instead i bought a raffle ticket for a brand new car. When i got home,i explained to my dad what i did and he beat the crap out of me. But the next day,when my dad woke up and opened the door,outside my house was a brand new car. We all cried especially me,because the car was from the electricity company,they were there to cut off the electricity, my dad beat the crap out of me again

Holy shit dude this blew up. I'd love to read though the comments but I don't have time so I'll just leave my 2 cents. High caliber on fast rate of fire weapons is annoying to go up against but I think that it's a good thing. If you want to come out on top of a primary battle this forces players to work on timing their shots, accepting when to disengage and using other weapons in conjunction with abilities to shut down a Clever D spammer.

It's statistically the most used primary. They want "Primaries". Not just one singular OP primary. It needs a change. Most primaries need a change. CD and Grasp are [b]too[/b] strong. Edit: Here's my idea of what should be balanced. Some stuff needs a buff and some needs a nerf. [b]Fast firing HC, Pulse and Scout[/b] need to be sped up slightly and take 4 headshots to kill. [b]Medium-Fast HC, Pulse and Scout[/b] need to be 3 headshot kill BUT have strong recoil/bad handling. [b]Medium HC, Pulse and Scout[/b] need to be 3 headshot kill. [b]Slow HC, Pulse and Scout[/b] need to be slowed down a little more but take 2 headshots to kill. Autos are a different ball park. Get rid of ghost bullets too. If balanced to what i just said, HC wont be OP.

I like the waltz