First things first huge wall of text so TL;DR can be found at the bottom. I don't want to use fate bringer for the next 10 years at all. I want to use something better than fate bringer in the next 10 years but since they refuse to make better weapons why would I switch to something with worse perks on my own volition. Give me a better PvE hand cannon and I'll use it. Don't give me a ruby and then give me a piece of shit and tell me it's better just because you put red glitter on it. In regards to there not being upgrades. Just why not let us have our old weapons and if I choose to use my old stuff let me. Don't take my cool stuff away and say here use this lame stuff instead. It goes back to the whole principal of I own a ruby and here's some red glitter coated piece of shit. Bungie if you want us to use new weapons and armor MAKE THEM BETTER SO WE ACTUALLY WANT THEM AND WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM LEAVING OUR OLD STUFF BEHIND FOR BETTER STUFF. That's all I ask and this is how I feel about it. I have no problem trading my ruby for a diamond but I certainly have one with trading it for some glittery shit. Bungie listen to your fans and give us something to still allow upgrades. Seriously it's not that even that hard to implement just give us ascendant light or something. That Is all. Edit 1: So maybe that wasn't all. Many are trying to educate me on the concept of power creep which I understand. They say power creep would be a bad thing for destiny but honestly ask your self to you think power creep in destiny in non existent? The best example of power creep in destiny I can give you is the lvl system simply by equip better gear you can deal more damage and also take more damage. For those who say power creep is a bad thing honestly it's not everything has power creep. Even pokemon has it for Christ sake. honestly a lvl 5 learns bubble beam and a level 40 learns hydro pump one is drastically better than the other. Power creep should exist otherwise why bother lvling a pokemon to 40 and having it learn hydro pump if bubble beam is just as good? Or even worse? What bungie has effectively done with the vog weapons is made it so that everyone learned hydro pump at level 5. There is absolutely no way to improve on fate bringer ' perks that wouldn't be game breaking. Their solution so that they can introduce weapons that are better in the future is to give everyone crap guns so that they can improve upon them later.For the pokemon analogy they're effectively replacimg hydro pump (fate bringer) with water gun (TTK and HoW weapons) and saying you'll get hydropump worthy stuff again if we keep playing and more importantly paying. I have yet to see any taken king weapons that are on the same level of fate bringer revealed and based on what we were given as our "raid weapons" in PoE I don't expect them to give us anything worthwhile at all in the TTK to replace a gun like fate bringer. Now for everyone who said I was just whining which I don't want to seem like my solution is as follows: Nerf the effectiveness of all previous god tier weapons a.k.a black hammer, fate bringer, found verdict, hunger of crota, Vision of confluence, etc. This will bring them closer in line to other weapons and allow for power creep to work and for them to give us better weapons. For those crying no don't nerf X it's my favourite gun you should realize that certain guns in this game were simply too good. For them to give us better guns in the future the guns we have now can't be the best that simply isn't how power creep works. Otherwise the only way to make something better is to make it absolutely game breaking. At this rate 10 years from now well have scout rifles that shoot god damn Wolfpack rounds and snipers that tale out a strike boss in one shot. The effectiveness of things needs to be brought to a more manageable level. So they can make better weapons. It's honestly really simple but bungies solution is to make the weapons we love unusable and that's no fun at all. Edit 2: Response from Dregen Yor that was a good analysis of the situation: [u]Example 1[/u]. [b]Gear[/b]: New gear can diversify the current trends by adding pieces that are good, looks innovative and has interesting things to offer. [b]Difficulties[/b]: New activities can alter the way we are used to playing. Adding mechanics and multiple steps to progress activities is a fun and engaging way to do this. [i]Oh you wanna summon the boss? Pull that lever... Sorry, we forgot to mention it's a trap door to a jumping puzzle that has plates with infinite thrall spawns.[/i] But instead, Bungie goes with [u]Example 2[/u]. [b]Gear[/b]: "New" Gear, mostly recycled parts and bad designs. Awful perks, but better stats (which are crucial for your continued progress through the game). Instead of diversifying the trends, this simply changes it from one set of 4 armor pieces, and ~6 useful weapons, to 4 other armor pieces and 4 new weapons. [b]Difficulties[/b]: Have I ever told you about my great great great uncle? Bulletsponge Bob Neverdiespants. Also, here are 3000 adds with health pool so large it's not possible to illustrate. [u]Example 1[/u] lets us build our own legend. Who are you? What do you look like? What tales does yor guardian tell? [u]Example 2[/u]... He's maxed level and has a 365 gjallarhorn. Invite him.[/quote] TL;DR: Bungie -blam!-ed up by making weapons too powerful too early on now they have very few solutions. Ascension is the only solution that won't be game breaking as people will still use old guns and be happy and can try out new guns. Without bungie having to create more broken things to please players The other options and they're problems are as follows: Solution 1: Essentially taking good weapons out of the game by not allowing ascension and giving weaker guns to restore balance. Problem: People will miss the old weapons and be forced to use weapons with crappy perks that they do not enjoy and essentially be forced into downgrading their arsenal. Solution 2: Not allowing ascension and giving better guns than what we have Problem: While most people would have no problem leaving behind old guns for better ones this would introduce an unhealthy power creep into the game with guns eventually all becoming ridiculously over powered as time progresses.