Before you vote, I'm not asking if you can cheese sections of the encounter as you clearly can. What I'm asking is if you complete flawless raider, even with "cheesing" parts, is it cheesed? I started working on going for a two man Crota normal flawless raider this morning. We "cheesed" the abysss (which is easy to do "legit") and the bridge (I swiped across and he despawned the enemies from the building, also not that hard to do "legit.") The deathsinger seemed to glitch, I swear we killed it but we died to her song... Anyway, if/when we complete it, we will have both invested several hours into mastering everything (even with the "cheese"). If you look at the PSN trophies only .2% of people have completed it. If it was something you could truly "cheese" it seems like that number would be much higher. Even back when you could push off the Templar and Atheon it still would have been pretty hard to take the time to do it flawlessly. I'd love to do VoG with a full team flawlessly 100% legit even after doing it with Crota (if I can find enough people interested...) That said, do you think there's a "cheesing" the flawless? However it's done, there's no "easy" way. You'll be putting in some hours to get it done.