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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
5/10/2013 6:41:50 PM
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Yes it is.
If the law made it legal to kill other adult human beings, regardless of what the law said, I would still call it murder. Definitions aren't made by the law, because the law can be wrong.
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The law is never wrong, but it can be misconducted, which is different. Murder is illegal but someone can get away with it. In principle it is wrong, but it is hard to prove it and everyone has equal rights and are innocent until proven guilty. Destroying an embryo is just destroying a sack of worthless cells that may or may not develop into humans but it is not a human yet therefore it is not murder. You lose skin cells naturally all the time. Cell die off, the embryo might not make it to term. I don't see how it's murder if it's not a human being with a consciousness...
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Ah. I see. If the law is never wrong, then clearly you would have supported slavery, Jim Crow laws, and blacks and women not having the right to vote, back when there were laws to enforce such things. Because those were laws and you claim the law is never wrong. Again, I really doubt that is why you actually believe. Please clarify.
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Well [i]now[/i] the law is never wrong anyway It never was right We only just managed to perfect it recently And we cannot manage to uphold it properly either and people get away with ting tings all the time so it is not good.
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Are you serious? Did you actually just say that the law as it currently stands [i]is perfect[/i]?
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Yes yes I did Disprove me And I shalld deflect
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I think pretty much everyone in Secular Sevens would agree with me that your statement that 'our current laws are perfect' is ludicrous.
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You're wrong, I think our current laws are perfect.
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So you're against gay marriage? Or legalizing weed?
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Edited by King Dutchy: 5/12/2013 1:42:16 AMWell duh. Otherwise I wouldn't think our current laws are perfect.
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I don't think that you can prove otherwise therefore I am correct.
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Troll is obvious
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No, no. Murder is illegal therefore the law is superior to all
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For some reason, it strikes me that at every point in history there have been people who have been satisfied with the law as it stood in their age and declared it "right". There have also been people in every age who stood against those laws. In many cases, laws existed for the good of the people. But many laws were also used as a vehicle to oppress others. We have hindsight at our disposal to see the imperfections of past laws. How can you claim, therefore, that the law now is perfect, if we have spent thousands of years challenging laws and often causing our society to progress by challenging laws? You have no perspective by which to make that claim. You can only say we are better than we were however many years ago, but who's to say that we're not going to be better in fifty years?
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Yes definitions aren't made by the law. But definitions cater to the law and can't really be wrong can they.
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So then, all the Jews Hitler killed weren't murdered then? Since what he did was legal under German law during his rule?
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Godwins law! But under strict definition no, it wasn't. If it was actually legal anyway. It was horrendous, incredibly immoral and very destructive and the destruction of many innocent lives. Now before you go butthurt, please know that because I'm saying it wasn't murder doesn't mean I condone it in any way or form.
