[quote]Why…why…why is it so bad…I’m either on a team that gets absolutely crushed or a team that is doing the crushing. I don’t think I’ve had but one, maaaaaaybe two close games. Is there any way to fix this?[/quote] I mean I’m not an average PvPr by any means. I suck horribly buuuuuuuut. I go in there to complete bounties and, in a mode where power level matters being 35 below everyone is tough. At least make a bracket 🤣🤣

“The crucible is no place for mercy” - Lord Shaxx

Its fine if IB works to where the score ends up close. But can certain players, many of whom don't really post on the internet, have a mode that works the way they want it to and it just be left like that? Because a lot of the way this game ends up working when it works for the people that it has to work for just causes people to get on stacked teams since everything starts running off of stats. Then you play those people and its just their stats playing. Its more fun when the stats that people already have don't really matter during the match.

It isn’t even matchmaking. It is like playing a pick up game.

I am crap and always get carried like a handbag to 50/50 win loss ratio. This has always been the ratio of IB for me. Nothing has really changed in the amount of wins or losses imo.

I literally made a post saying the exact same thing a couple hours ago. Now I scroll down and see your post is exact same. My buddy and I played for a little over three hours last night. Every game we either one by 60 points or lost by 60 points. There were no close games at all. The games we lost we are all two teams of 4 to 6 people in the same clan. I miss having games that came down to the wire and were close.

I’m watching my screen sit at 1/12 guardians. Ten minutes goes by and no change. I quit, reboot, try again and get the same result. Guess I won’t be playing Iron Banner then, huh?

It’s the dumb bounties. I was using bubble because you know, it’s control. I figured I would get them naturally.I was at 6% on ability defeats when I completed the other 3. Now all I care about is getting my super once and ranking up garbage red outline weapons that I would never use. Others are trying to get the iron banner quest done. All this while some moron thinks he’s good running around at high power with chappy and pally. I Hate this mode

Im having a good time, I dropped a 52 a few matches ago. Probably the highest I’ve ever gotten. The guy in second only got 19 kills lol. Easily the best match I’ve had in years! The game after that I got stomped but still managed to go positive. What I’m trying to say it not to make it a big deal. Some games will be easy and others will feel like a grandmaster nightfall, just play the game. Its not about winning or losing, just play for fun. If you cant enjoy pvp or make it fun then why would you spend your time playing it? I hate strikes and most of the pve content so I barely ever bother. As I said why bother doing something I wont enjoy?

Exactly. The two extremes you mentioned, either getting decimated or ripping the other team to shreds are even worse than they sound. Why? Because even being on the 'winning' team is unlikely to provide us with what we are [i]actually[/i] there for. Most of the time when I play pvp Iron Banner, at least since SBMM was killed, its not really a 'team' that wins Iron Banner. Its ONE or TWO players with absurd KD. What that really means, is that most players, even on the 'winning' team, get little or no progress on their [i][b]Iron Banner Bounties[/b][/i]. Why are the bulk of players even bothering with IB these days? The Iron Banner Bounties. Ergo, most of the time Iron Banner is just wasting most peoples time. There is ONLY one fix [i]at best.[/i] Bring back absolute SBMM. If need be, slap it in a separate lobby and make it a choice. SBMM has always been the ONLY 'fair' approach for pvp. The only people who EVER wanted it gone were the 'always have to win' people who wanted an easier group of real players to 'always win' against. In other words, these jerks want actual human red bars to fight so they can fully enjoy being sore winners, telling peeps to 'get gud' etc. Will that fix Iron Banner? Maybe. Why do I say that? Because the last time SBMM was active was [i][b]before[/b][/i] the implementation of cross-play. Now that cross play is active, I have serious doubts that SBMM even [i][b]can[/b][/i] be brought back. [b][i]Heh, maybe that is the real reason Bungie killed SBMM in the first place, LOL. Maybe they knew it would not work with cross-play? Hmm...[/i][/b] Anyway, regarding the absurd KD players, I speculate that many of those players have aim bots, or other cheat-tech in place that they turn on, or off as needed to 'help' them 'always win'. I KNOW that many of those players are using M&K against me. I only play controller via Xbox Series S. BTW, I am NOT saying M&K provide an unbeatable advantage, nor am I saying that M&K do not require skill. But the simple fact is that M&K make the game fundamentally different in nature. Personally I choose to use controller because I want my game playing to feel fundamentally different to work at a computer desk. Whatever is truly 'wrong' with the current iteration of PVP, I assure you, something is VERY WRONG. Why do I know this? Because I ONLY play one class in pvp most seasons. Warlock. Using my Warlock, I ONLY use skills and mods that [i]never[/i] introduce variables to my game play. I always run tier 10 mobility/resilience tier 7 or better int and mid tier or better in everything else. I ALWAYS use a mod build chosen specifically to benefit the weapons and gear I enter Iron Banner with. And finally, Every piece of armor I walk into Iron Banner with is high stat PVP armor that has been fully masterworked. (mostly Iron Banner gear). Furthermore; The gear I use in Iron Banner is the same gear I ALWAYS USE IN DESTINY 2. I know full well my build is not the 'best' in pve, however by ALWAYS using this gear, these 'build' rules, this class, and avoiding mods and gear selections that introduce variables to my character, my end result is an in game 'avatar' that ALWAYS behaves the same way. This has been the intent I had in mind for my build for years. So... When I step into Iron Banner PVP, and things aren't right... I KNOW THEY ARE NOT RIGHT. Playing on Xbox Series S, fast cable isp, all hardline, everything setup right. I never step foot in IB under-level. In short, every detail is well set up for IB. NO [i][b]FAIR[/b][/i] matchmaking, should leave me getting consistently wiped off the map in IB PVP. Yet season after season that has been the steady trend. I do NOT have to win, but I am sick to death of 'fixed' matches. Although I have seen enough wtf moments to know some players are cheating, I also know that from one game to the next movement and responsiveness are never the same. Like NEVER. Without a doubt, the matchmaking engine has a hand in fixing matches. Doubt it? The next time you get the breaking up teams message after a big win, watch the next 'fair' match you get dropped into. You WILL be slapped into a match where you are [i]seriously[/i] overmatched and [i]likely[/i] to lose. I say likely because there are two aspect the matchmaking engine can NEVER control; people flipping on cheating tech, and people dropping out of a match. If enough people drop out the engines 'priority' seems to go out the window, and switch to just filling the spots with whoever, to refill the teams, at which point new players might turn the 'tide' so to speak.

Blame Caitil

Why yes. At least in some matches the nanny seems to be doing better and monitoring everything. Oh my god...

That’s how balance works in this game. Welcome to the pendulum.

I think removing the current hunt mechanic would help, Id rather see a flat 25 point bump when having all 3 caps then have them all reset. Would lush ayer more into cappi g the zones too imo.