Addendum to my comments above and throughout this thread about Mara Sov: In all my musings about Mara Sov and the abuser I [i]currently[/i] believe her to be, one thing is fixed and by its nature potentially flawed in my assessment of her: I judge her from a the perspective of human emotion within a human lifespan. [i]Neither of these things are true of Mara Sov. Not any longer...[/i] Within an unimaginable epoch of 12 Billion years, Mara [i]Dreamed[/i] herself back into being within the distributory. After recreating herself as a new being within, she created/reshaped the place she was in to become the Awoken realm. 'Seeing' this place and the template of life as an 'Awoken', [i]her people[/i] followed her example. She then lived for [i]Thousands of Years[/i] in that space, before she and some of the Awoken left the distributory to rejoin our existence and our flow of time. Her perspective is unique in the universe of Destiny. When we assess Mara Sov it is not truly possible to know the fullness of her as an entity nor the weight of such strange eons upon her being. Even if she [i]wanted[/i] to, she could not convey all she knows and has pondered in that time. Her communication with anyone is necessarily that of an ancient being speaking to someone born yesterday... [i]...in piglatin[/i] We can only judge her by what we see, know, understand. By that admittedly limited metric; I call her an Abuser. It is, of course, possible she is not. [i][b]Or, at least, that there is much more to it...[/b][/i] It is [i]certain[/i] she is more than we have seen... Gunship [i]aka RaphaelBishop[/i]

Interesting idea, but in one of the lore books it talks about them when they were both human.

[quote]A funny thing occurred to me this morning... As bits and pieces of Mara and Uldren Sov's History bounced around in my head. The origin story of the awoken. Mara "filling in the missing pieces" of Uldren to help him 'become' awoken. I have long looked at Mara and Uldren as abuser and victim. She appears to exhibit some very classic abusive characteristics. Well, this morning an alternate possibility presented itself: What if Mara and Aldren started out... ...as one person. What if Mara separated the parts of her/him self that would [i]not[/i] serve her as queen, and then "filled in the missing pieces" to make Uldren. It would [b][i]also[/i][/b] explain her kind of weird behavior towards Uldren, and recently Crow. There has been a weird revulsion toward Uldren all along. Yet also a weird clinginess on her part towards him of late. As if he is a lost part of her. In describing the "safegards" she put on the scepter, it was clear that she has some concerns/fears about Uldren gaining power. As if there were certain risks in the way she made Uldren. A strong motivation for Savathun orchestrating Uldrens fall, death, rebirth as 'crow'. Thus separating Mara from a piece of herself. One that was, by Design, flawed... A crazy theory... perhaps. Gunship [i](Aka RaphaelBishop) [/i][/quote] Uldren used to be a human, just like Mara so no, he isn't a broken off part of Mara

I don’t see how she was abusive to him at all.

If memory serves me correctly, I think they are frateral twins. In my own personal Head Cannon, she's the Arndold Schwarzenegger of the two, and Uldren is the Danny DeVito: Mara got all of the dominant genes, and Uldren got all the recessive ones ( another comparison would be Liquid Snake vs Solid Snake ). For better, and for Worse, she definitely is more suited to role of Leader, whereas Uldren is a follower. One of earlier discussions with Mara this Season had her pointing put that Uldwyn/Uldren/Crow has always needed 'someone' to follow. First, his mother, then Mara, then Osiris/Savathun, and then our Guardian. While I don't agree with the way Mara treats Uldren ( less of a sibling, and more of a servant, or a thing ), and I believe her big plan this Season is going blow back in her face, I don't think Mara is entirely wrong with how she treated Uldren in the past, or how she's currently handling him right now. At the very least, having Crow speak to Savathun right now would be a bad idea. If anything, Crow has repeated shown that he's overly emotional and impulsive, and prone to making rash decisions without thinking things through. And Savathun is still considered to be the Queen of lies and deceit. No good will come from having those two meet, at least not until all parties involved have come clean about Crow's past.

Interesting theory. The thing I find odd in the story sequence so far is that this week Mara alludes to the fact that she should’ve been the queen who was able to wield “uldren sov, light bearer”, this to me hints that she might know more than us about crows rebirth and possibly she didn’t know about the whole memory wipe when chosen so once she realised that crow would never be uldren that she left him to wander but upon seeing how he was treated by spider she used savathun as Osiris to try to manipulate uldrens personality out of crow.

It's a very interesting idea but there is a lorebook that talks about them before they were awoken where they interact with different people so we know they were separate people. I think Mara's attitude is she always took Uldren for granted and used and abused him and when he died she realized what he meant to her, hence the clinginess and wanting him back etc