With primary weapons getting unlimited ammo, and bows having a small supply of it... I wanted to see what bow would really benefit as a PvE king... So we're gonna do two Arrows for each, because by default Ticcu needs two arrows to do damage... and those baby arrows it fires does do damage... This is via just single target damage. Obviously a few of these bows do better against mobs, but lets compare them anyways. And yes some bows are slightly slower, but we'll talk about that. (Also, we are NOT including the ability to make Warmind Cells, those are getting nerfed, and while an artifact allows Monarque to do it, we aren't counting it. Just the bows themselves) [quote]Wish-Ender: 22,730 Crit (not including Vs Taken... there isn't many in the game as is. Maybe in Witch Queen.) Trinity Ghoul: 12,594 Crit (not including if you have one arrow with Lightning Rod up, doesn't change much anyways.) Le Monarque: 20,204 Crit (including poison damage) Ticcu's Divination: Primer - 1,827 / Arrow - 8,099 on Crit / Blast Damage on Primed target 11,839 ... Total Damage 21,765 Ticcu's Divination + Catalyst: Primer - 1,827 / Arrow x6 Buff - 16,292 on Crit / Blast Damage on Primed target 11,839 ... Total Damage 29,958[/quote] So if you have the Catalyst... Ticcu flat out demolishes the competition. And even without the catalyst, it slightly edges out on Monarque, but just barely. And obviously Trinity isn't a single target damage weapon, it's meant to deal with ads on the field, and it does an amazing job of doing so... there's an issue I noticed while playing with all the bows... • While Trinity Ghoul can wipe out whole rooms easily, so can Monarque and Ticcu. And while Monarque isn't as potent as Ticcu, it's also a bit more user friendly, and the AOE poison can stun enemies caught in it. Though Ticcu... out right obliterates everything in front of it as a primary weapon. Ticcu does the job of Trinity Ghoul in ad control with a bit more effort... and the job of Monarque with single target. • Wish-Ender during it's hay-day when bugged... put out more damage than Ticcu with the catalyst... by a lot. If Wish-Ender ever gets a buff... watch out for it. Though I didn't add in Taken damage, there isn't many in the game anymore. But maybe in Witch Queen... but if it doesn't get a buff or catalyst to help it... you might just wanna use Malfeasance... despite having higher damage than all the other bows (minus the Ticcu Catalyst) it's still too slow to use. • Monarque is a solid bow, it's simple to use, very straight forward and requires little thought unlike Ticcu, which is why it's still an appealing option despite Ticcu demolishing it... if Monarque ever gets a catalyst that affects how much damage it does in some capacity... it can be a real option in PvE, even if it say... increases how many ticks of poison it does, or the size of the burst of poison... As far as PvE goes, if you have Ticcu and it's catalyst unlocked, there's your answer. If you don't, but you have Monarque- it's a solid second place option. And some might say "But Trinity Ghoul is better!" Trinity Ghoul is an ad clearing machine... but that's all it is. Both Monarque and Ticcu do it's job and can deal single target damage... unless you're job is JUST to clear out ads in the room... and you want to swap to a sniper, Ticcu and Monarque can fill both rolls better. And if Monarque ever gets a catalyst, keep an eye on it- it could grasp that spot back from Ticcu given the right one... And maybe lets pray that Wish-Ender see's some sort of love... maybe a catalyst that reduces draw time, that would be nice. Or something that bumps that damage up to 'near' the glitched status. But... silly question at this point, which bow do you think is the best knowing all of what I just said... [quote]EDIT: Yes I realize that I included a x6 buff on Ticcu for the catalyst damage boost... that is my mistake. But still even with a x2 buff that arrow is doing 11,062, which still puts it higher than the other bows in total damage output, but the point still stands across it all.[/quote] EDIT: So people are saying "Trinity Ghoul has better AOE clear!" This post wasn't about the AOE clear primarily... it was focused on Single Target... I mentioned the AOE off handedly in the end but the primary focus of the post was on single target damage, I mentioned AOE because Ticcu and Monarque can do that as well like Trinity Ghoul- which gave them a slight up on Trinity Ghoul since they can do Single Target as well. [quote]EDIT: So I have learned... people can't read, and a majority of folk seem to forget that GM content and Master VoG that Trinity Ghoul isn't keeping up... ah well. Can't convince everyone, time to ignore the post I guess and move on myself.[/quote]