No. No its not. Freezing mechanics are junk. And are extremely old news. Its hilarious how depraved destiny players are when they get excited to have something other MMOs have had for 15+ years. Not to mention the freezing is so poorly balanced they just shoved warlock into the ground yet not the others, that are also broken. Just not compared to warlock. There was so much less time and care put into these subclasses than the trees that came with forsaken. Those were much much more balanced. The exotics not so much. But still way more counterable than hurr durr better use stasis or dawnblade or get rekt. And these subclasses for PvE? Theyre meh. Just another support class. Ill take bubble or well

So far I feel its better than Shadowkeep but not quite hitting the heights of Forsaken. Early concerns were warranted but its now clear that things are fed into the game bit by bit. Curious to see how it plays out over the year with the other seasons. EDIT: also curious to see how the "evolving world" ethos plays out too. So far they've done well on that front with how the Raid fit in to everything.

I agree that it's very good and there's a lot of hyperbolic complaints. However, I would still say that $40 USD is a bit of an ask even with the now expanded Europa. I'd say $30 USD is a more fair asking price. $40 would be reasonable if it included season of the hunt. Frankly I don't know why they ditched the idea of buying an expansion gave you the current season's pass.

There's a difference between good enough and great.

It’s glorified bountie simulator, there’s no point in doing new activities if there’s no loot at all.

It was mediocre sunset was a fail not too many new stuff they should change coldheart to stasis shit no time to explain should of been stasis or void not shooting out arc we're talking about time travel here Stasis as a class seems kinda week!

It was mediocre sunset was a fail not too many new stuff they should change coldheart to stasis shit no time to explain should of been stasis or void not shooting out arc we're talking about time travel here Stasis as a class seems kinda week!

No loot in a looter shooter is a massive fail, which is a shame because the gameplay and Europa is not too bad. But sunsetting weapons and armour to cre a te artificial grind, then have nothing to grind for is idiotic on Bungo's behalf. Not to mention they have added barely any content for an expansion for core activities, I mean Gambit hasn't had a new map in so long its an absolute joke. Apparently its also now too much effort to have gear for specific activities to chase, and I really do miss the pinnacle/ritual weapon chase for the core activities.

well i wouldnt say it was good. but it wasnt bad... i guess. beyond lights biggest failure ( in my most honest opinion.) is itself. they took the dlc model, then took the seasonal content, added chemical X, and what came out was... never going to be good. a dlc, has and always should load you up with content upfront. and the seasonal model should always be used after all the new stuff starts to get kinda old, or repetitive. when the seasonal content starts just one week after the dlc, you have done something wrong. and to have the "wrathborn hunts" be essentially dead content on release ( atleast as of this point in time, we will see if anything is added.) is aslo a very bad sign. what it all boils down to is the same things bungie still has never learned. 1.) new tools/ weapons and armour, yet nothing new to do with them... nobody wants to play the same strikes for the 777th ( see what i did there bungie?) time. so the player experience is already ruined, and the mindset is something you have to get right. 2.) time, and gates. put those together into ANY GAME no matter what game it is, you will not get a great response. timegating content is not a way to "build the world" or to have a single "evolving world" you can do this in so many ways, and this is not a good way to do it. it would be like buying the entire collection of the harry potter movies (hahahaha look at the nerd!) and being told you can only watch 30 minutes of the first movie at a time a week. its not good design. but thats just me, and i do love this game. (or i wouldnt have over 3k hours on steam alone.) i just want to see it get better.

That’s the problem with some gamers and why the gaming industry has changed.... if it looks good, the game is good. That’s the mentality we are working with now. Looking good, but failing in the rest of the categories that make a good game or dlc/expansion etc etc, is not quality. I’m not like many others asking for a perfect game. We are asking for good quality in areas of the game that we have been asking since day 1. You can put sprinkles on poop, but it’s still poop.

It could have been good but too much of its loot is gated behind long quests. Bungie: You like this sweet weapon? Players: Ya looks sweet. Bungie: Its all yours, but first do some random objectives then a public activity before running a story missions. Oh any you can only do 1 at a time plus you have to farm a special currency to pick up the quest. Enjoy.

Europa looks cool, the darker theme is nice. Outside that nothing screams that good to me - let's compare this to forsaken and it's no contest. People then say "oh well they had acitivison then." Ok sure, so if you can't keep up with the amount of content then why charge the same amount? We've been paying the same price for less, beyond light feels closer to warmind at $20 then it does forsaken at $40+$30 season pass. There is a grand total of 1 new strike, no new dungeons, the annual big raid has a d1 boss riding a heavy shank as it's boss though I'm sure the raid is fun like always, there are only 23 new guns after they sunset over 300 for no reason other then "mountaintop was too good" when it was gonna get a nerf anyway, many guns are going to be reissued proving they werent a problem to begin with but making players regrind for them when they already grinded for these same guns years ago, they brought back master lost sectors which we already found boring in season of the worthy, they stripped out more of the game then they added, they added nothing to pvp (I won't even get into the freezing stuff off grenade or melee hits), they didn't update trials outside adept weapons (where are the new guns? Or even D1 guns? Or even the rest of the D1Y1 guns like jewel, messenger or infinite therom???), why no new enemies on a big yearly expansion 7 years into the series? Fallen again? Will we ever see any new races?

It is. It would've been received far better if Sunsetting wasn't so aggressive though. Other than that, the story and lore are good, Stasis is godly, there are a lot of fun and powerful rewards to earn this year compared to the disappointing Forsaken Exotics and legend Lost Sectors and high value target farming is surprisingly effective. We just need a new Dungeon and more exclusive Empire Hunt loot.