Bungie recently adressed the community concerns via a comment on this thread: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/255364570?sort=0&page=0 Cozmo says: [quote]Sure, we'll respond. There isn't really any new info to give that Luke didn't already cover in the Director's Cut. We appreciate everyone's feedback on this and we'll make sure to share the community's thoughts with the team. We'll give you more details as we get closer to rolling out these changes.[/quote] That is it, and it is not enough. [quote]We'll give you more details as we get closer to rolling out these changes.[/quote] This makes or breakes the game in my opinion, and decides if the game and its owner (Bungie) are "worthy" of my time and money. I'm not buying a single Destiny 2 thing until those "details" are out in the open. You are "close enough" already as far as I'm concerned. Am I supposed to just un-install and see what happens with this in 9-15 months? EDIT: After reading the answers to this post I found some common themes to questions and arguments that I figured I'd address. 0) My personal stance: I'm neither opposed nor do I support the proposed changes. [spoiler]My entire point is that there is too little information about how "weapon retirement" is supposed to work. This can make or break the game, I want to know how, and since this affects everything currently in the game that information should be readily available. That information is, to me, crucial to have in regards to purchasing any of the upcomming season-passes until some of the smoke has cleared. [/spoiler] 1) If you "support" or "oppose" this change, read this: [spoiler]You have not been given enough information to actually have an informed stance on this whole ordeal. We've been presented with a vague idea of what Bungie means to do, and it's not enough information to make a meaningful argument as to whether this is a good idea or not. These are some perfectly valid concerns, un-answered, that are consistently brought forward about all this. Until these are answered it's IMPOSSIBLE to have a valid opinion on any of this: What weapons will be affected (Pinnacle/ritual, exotics, legendaries, blues), or is it all of them? What are these "new" and "unique" weapons we'll get as replacements for our old weaponry? I have a god-rolled Beloved. I hated grinding for it. There is no way in hell they are making me grind for a sniper rifle that looks like Beloved, acts like Beloved, feels like Beloved, but is called Misstress; where the only difference is that I can use Misstress in power enabled activites while my god-rolled Beloved can't be. That's poor game-design. I'm all for new weapons when they bring something cool and unique to the table, but if it's a reskin the gun is ultimately pointless. That's artificially induced grind, and I do not support that (with my money). While we can't assume they will be making a re-skinned gun with a different name for us to grind, we can't assume that's not EXACTLY what's going to happen either. Sadly, there are a significant amount of re-skinned weapons that aren't exactly refuting that. What about drop-rate of god-rolls (or even good weapons)? Since this game has a lot of RNG, that means a lot of weapons won't be used because the drops have been of garbage guns. Some people have bad RNG, and with weapon retirement that means you might get a good drop of a weapon, only to have it retired the next week. Is the rate at which god-rolls / good rolls drop going to be addressed? We don't know. [/spoiler] 2) What's the actual problem here? [spoiler]If we disregard the discussion about whether power-creep is a thing in Destiny 2 or not for now, this boils down to an interesting line of questions. In the TWAB Luke presents the problem, paraphrased, like this: "We make new guns, but people don't use them because they don't have to". First of all, I don't think that's true. Secondly, I don't see how that's a BAD thing. I can only speak for myself, but I LIKE trying out new guns. The problem here is the difference between rolls, or rather rarity of certain rolls. I don't use "new" guns because the drop-rate of GOOD rolls, not to mention god-rolls, is ABYSMALL. Last week I got my FIRST viable "Hard Truths" - SMG (drops in Crucible) out of hundreds of drops. It's been out since season 4 (that's when Forsaken dropped!!). I enjoy using that SMG, to me it's NEW and FRESH, and it's been in the loot-pool FOREVER. I just NEVER got a good one before. The way I see it, it's not like people don't use "new" guns, it's that viable "new" guns just won't drop. The second thing to address here are the re-skins: I have a good roll of Widows Bite (Sniper). Why would I want to go out of my way to hunt for an Apostate (Thorny Widows Bite) when I know (with statistical certainity) I'm not going to get a good roll, let alone a god-roll. The Apostate I've tried is subpar to the Widows Bite I have. I have been given no reason to think it adds anything new to the table. This thought process goes for ALL THE RE-SKINS! That's a lot of "new" weapons that aren't really new (seriously, the Apostate looks GREAT, but I'm not going to grind Altar of Sorrows for one.) This boils down to the actual issue with the loot that I have: Once I got my god-rolled Beloved that I wanted from the Menagerie, I NEVER wanted to touch the Menagerie again. Menagerie was mindless and boring to me. How many people stopped playing Reckoning once they got their Spare Rations? Why is that an "OKAY" mentality to have around the things you do in Destiny? Make FUN and ENGAGING activities, the loot should be icing on the cake, not the reason you are doing the activity. If I enjoyed Altar of Sorrow, maybe I'd get an god-rolled Apostate to use anyway. Don't hold me hostage with the loot-drops. If your statistics show you people won't use new weapons, maybe there is more to it than "they don't have to". (also, Breakneck, Luke? When was the last time you talked to people playing Destiny 2) Let me re-iterate: The way I see it, it's not like people don't use "new" guns, it's that viable "new" guns just won't drop. I don't see how arbitrarily retireing the old guns, that finally has dropped as viable rolls solves that problem. Again: Too little information to make a meaningful argument about this whole "weapon retirement" thing. [/spoiler] 3) I'm not personally attacking Cozmo with this post. I'm asking Bungie for better transparancy and about information they SHOULD have already. Cozmo's comment just happened to be the CLOSEST thing to a statement from Bungie on this whole ordeal, and I called BUNGIE out on it. Not Cozmo; neither the professional entity nor the person. Seriously: Why announce weapon retirement at all if you don't have more than a vague idea about it ...? Unless Bungie is just toying with the idea, and in that case... it should have been presented way differently. Again: Questions without answers.