Yeah. It just isn't worth it. I want a single gun from the loot pool, and I'm forced to do a quest in order to turn in tokens. That quest also forces me to pollute my loot pool with armor that isn't even new. On top of that, the quest dictates how people play, making for some boring, artificial matches. Especially when 4 of your teammates are crouching by heavy so they can get their quest done. I have turned in 565 IB packages (11,300 tokens), and haven't even gotten a single Gunnorah's with a decent roll. We have the same old armor and the same old weapons. Nothing worth chasing. The one gun I want isn't worth it. And then we get to a sandbox that's filled with cheese: Erentil with backup plan. High impact fusions getting 40 meter kills. (Does backing up even work as a counter anymore? Seriously. And at 40 meters, pulses and HCs now suffer damage dropoff, so their TTK can't keep up with the charge time. A scout can't at all, so that's fun.) Hand cannons with a further 3 tap potential than most but with zero recoil. Shotguns that have all the benefits of an aggressive frame, but have twice the handling and a faster rate of fire. OEM tracking. All that needs to be said there. Snipers with so much aim assist they shoot through flinch. (Snipers weren't even remotely used until serious outliers in terms of aim assist were used. Fact. Don't even argue it.) Clarification here: That AA + incoming flinch dragging reticles to the opponent's head without any input from the user is the bigger issue for me. Snipers aren't OP at all. I just wish flinch didn't do any work for them. Lag in literally every lobby. Complete mismatches and mercy rules. Terrible spawns, even on the maps that were supposed to be "fixed." The spawn trap at A is just as bad as before and Citadel is still a mess. Etc. It seems like for every way Bungie could have widened the skill gap with special weapons, they introduced an option that pretty much doesn't have one. Or they take the skill out of 1v1s with OEM. The cheese so bad I don't even care what the scoreboard looks like anymore. I'm just there for bounties and that's it. And let's be real. I'm not the only one. And it has been this way for months. Is any of this really indicative of the "renewed focus" for PvP we were promised? I think not. Edit: I'm not calling for any nerfs. I'm just saying the sandbox is full of weapons/gear that are the easiest and most effective option for their type. It is of my opinion that the easiest options shouldn't be the most effective as well. Granted, that'll never happen, but one can hope.