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Edited by JetEyeKnight:
8/28/2019 10:49:08 PM
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I'm soooo sick of Dust Rock Blues+Not Forgotten+Wardcliff Coil loadouts.
Can we please mix things up? People complain about Erentil all day but fail to see the true problems in this game. Every time I look at a sweaty player's loadout. DRB + WC + NF. EVERY...SINGLE....TIME. I'm not asking for nerfs, I'm begging the community to try something new. I wanna puke every time I see 20K kills on a NF or 10K kills on a DRB. The heavy weapon meta needs to change. Nothing but free team wipe wardcliff coil.
Edit: playing on console. I realize not a problem on pc
Edit 2: This is not about my ability to play the game. I already have ways to counter the meta loadouts. I get hate mail after every game. It's a good feeling knowing how to counter it. My point is the crucible is getting stale. We have a giant sandbox and yet people only want to play in one tiny corner of it. There are other viable options. The crucible should be overflowing with variety. Hopefully shadowkeep can incentivize players to try new loadouts.
Edit 3: I'm enjoying this ratio. Thank you all for participating in this conversation.
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5 RepliesEdited by GrandStyles: 8/29/2019 5:12:51 AMAs an unbroken I’d rather play a bunch of NF tards than a fusion user. Fusions are way worse. That said, I’m also sick of NF too and think it should’ve been nerfed harder. Before anyone asks, I no longer use my NF and haven’t for ages. Erentil has no counter. NF can predictably be beaten it’s just super tedious to pull off and NF has the advantage of being a 180, 3 HS kill, and it can push/peak. Erentil does all these things way better. Both are bad. They need to either remove bloom or nerf 180s, and nerf high impact fusion rifles. They’re already negatively impacting the sand box and when shadow keep drops a fusion meta will destroy crucible.
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"Getting stale" ???? It's always been like this from D1 Beta. Bungie is selling you a meta, nothing more, nothing less. Let me give you a simple example: outrageous fortune is less than 1% more powerful than swarm of the ravens. It is barely 10% less powerful when adding a tractor cannon buff. Yet most KWTD experts expect a swarm only bc they heard someone say it's stronger. No wonder they are impressed by a streamer who read an article, those people can't even read numbers on their screen! I play bloodborne a lot, yet I continue to be fascinated by the players who spam Amygdala's feet without realising they aren't doing any damage. The motivation they have is almost pavlovian, less likely human.
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I’m sick of OEM MT Recluse players. Most NF users are Garbo either way so it’s easy to counter them. All they do is jump on a hunter constantly
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7 RepliesI mean I feel you on wardcliff that shit only needs one rocket not too, but dust rock and NF arent a Problem theyve already been nerfed to shit tbh there average guns now. It also has to do with the fact that your on console and those guns are alot easier to use there cause welp guns on console are dog shit, Oh and the maps are all small asf for some reason so it makes sense to use close quarters guns.
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Imagine having to play these people at under 2100 because you got in an LFG group with one person over 3K. And that's great that you're amazing and can overcome this stuff. But it's not going to change until there is a patch of some sort. People will always use the best thing and when that gets nerfs they will pick up the next best thing that is discovered. People don't like to challenge themselves. They just wan to win as easily as possible.
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Glad I moved to pc
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3 RepliesBungie should make a thing where certain easy mode weapons build up towards a cheese title that sticks to the character as punishment. Like if your using Erentil, Drb or Wardcliff and rack up x amount of kills with the same said weapons your automatically dubbed “Scrublord” or something identifiably cheesey for 30 days. The bigger the crutch the more scrub points you earn.
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Also DRB is fine and Wardcliff should not get more than 1 rocket per heavy pull. Period. New heavy ammo changes will reveal how bad heavy is in this game.
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10 RepliesJotuns just as bad, anyone who uses that is pathetic.
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3 RepliesOk so luna/nf have already been nerfed, thier only advantage over regular 150s is 2 headshot 1 body instead of 3 headshots and there 100% should be some slight advantage using pinnacle hear over normal. Both those guns are honestly fine as is. (Though I am all for the complete removal of bloom from hand cannons, that mechanic is beyond ridiculous and stupid and only serves to lower skill gap by limiting how fast you can fire with accuracy) As for dust rock I'm not sure if the gun is the problem, if they nerf dust rock everyone goes to toil and trouble or imperial decree. Plus let's not pretend erentil or wizened rebuke spam wouldnt replace shotgun spam were shotguns nerfed. Special weapons are simply too abundant in pvp, imo special crates like d1 should return on 30 second timers with ammo given to everyone in the small vicinity. This will lead to primary based gameplay with special weapons used in special circumstances. Rather then special as primary with primary as backup Honestly heavy in general in pvp is too abundant, I dont think the problem is unique to wardcliff.
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Sounds better than MT and recluse I suppose.
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8 RepliesI'm sick of erenteil killing me from across the map or when I've got the guy down to a sliver of health but his erenteil charges up just fast enough to kill me at full health.
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Is this comp ur talking about or qp/ib? Because i only play qp/ib and i can tell u i get killed by 20 different weapons on a regular basis. It has to be a comp thing because im not seeing it in qp. Thats my experience.
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The only reason you see so much of that loadout is because thats all they know how to use even though its definitely not the most optimal loadout now. Heavy meta already changed. I see more Truths and legendary rockets with tracking than Wardcliffs consistently. If they haven't swapped from Dust Rock/NF/Wardcliff by now they probably never will. Especially if they have 5 digit numbers to show off on them.
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3 RepliesShut the hell up
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Remember those players are against sbmm because they don't want to have to run their comp loadout in quickplay....what a joke.
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Don't worry they have to change the meta, otherwise, no one would by the update.
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I'm still sick of recluse and any other pinnacle weapon. It's stupid that it's all people think they can use to play the game anymore.
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I hardly see that load out. But that’s what gaming has become now tho. No one plays for fun . All sweaty try hards now n days . Sucks .
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Just show people what else is fun. Who cares if people use them. With the 3 weapons (Luna not NF) I have like less then 50 kills with them put together in pvp lol.
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Wardcliff coil pellets shouldn’t be able to kill with just 1. So if you spread it out too much it doesn’t do enough damage
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1 ReplyEdited by Shower: 8/29/2019 12:52:54 AMI don’t see an issue... https://youtu.be/oLA1fyXEPZI [spoiler]THAT WAS ALL OF THEM!!![/spoiler]
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5 RepliesTruth bygones Erentil just as strong or stronger in my opinion.
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2 Replies[quote]Can we please mix things up? People complain about Erentil all day but fail to see the true problems in this game. Every time I look at a sweaty player's loadout. DRB + WC + NF. EVERY...SINGLE....TIME. I'm not asking for nerfs, I'm begging the community to try something new. I wanna puke every time I see 20K kills on a NF or 10K kills on a DRB. The heavy weapon meta needs to change. Nothing but free team wipe wardcliff coil. Edit: playing on console. I realize not a problem on pc Edit 2: This is not about my ability to play the game. I already have ways to counter the meta loadouts. I get hate mail after every game. It's a good feeling knowing how to counter it. My point is the crucible is getting stale. We have a giant sandbox and yet people only want to play in one tiny corner of it. There are other viable options. The crucible should be overflowing with variety. Hopefully shadowkeep can incentivize players to try new loadouts. Edit 3: I'm enjoying this ratio. Thank you all for participating in this conversation.[/quote] Meh, players will run what they want to, after all they paid for their game.
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1 Replytbh i have no problem with 180 handcannons. if the person is either unskilled/new or have 0 self repect. versing those people with no self respect makes me happy knowing they are to lazy or boring to use anything else. this also includes nonprecision shottys, max impact fusions, pulses that aren't high impact or rapid fire frame and any sort or GL or RL. beating or even cliping them makes me feel even better
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7 RepliesLol. You must play on console. PC has more variety. Activate cross save and hop on to PC. You’ll never look back to playing on console again.
