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Just lost a life-long friend, what do I do now?

(Its a long story, I’ll promise I’ll put a TLDR at the end) I’ve been friends with this kid since 6th grade. We were both weird, unathletic kids who liked Minecraft and broadcasting class, and he was my only friend for a while. The only conflict in our friendship was our political beliefs; he’s a Trump-supporting Catholic, and I’m a Dem. But besides from that, everything was fine, until today. Last year, I finally realized that I was bisexual, but I stayed closeted because I live in a Really conservative area and because I was still in school. I did tell some of my very close friends and my family, but I didn’t tell this friend because I was afraid of what would happen, and unfortunately, I was right. I told him today. He got upset, said I should’ve told him earlier. Then he told me that I should go to church with him, and that it might help. I asked him how it would help, and he started to go on this homophobic rant about how I was going to hell. This was a shock to me, because in all of our conversations he seemed to be very supportive of the LGBT+ community. I ended up leaving by myself and going home. TLDR: My friend went on a homophobic rant after I told him I was bisexual. It’s been 6 hours and I’m still not over it. Did I do something wrong? What do I do now? (Sorry if it’s written weird, it’s almost one in the morning here and I’ve been an emotional wreck for the past few hours) Edit 1: Going to bed now, thanks for all the kind messages (including those who sent pms) Edit 2: Wanted to answer a couple of questions: 1. What he said was homophobic, he told me it was disgusting that I could even think about gay you-know-what, despite the fact I told him i was more interested romantically than sexually in men. 2. I am an Episcopalian, who’re traditionally more tolerant of the LGBT community. I am not very religious though. 3. I’ve reached out to him, he hasn’t responded yet. 4. We’re both seniors in high school. 5. He said he couldn’t support my “lifestyle choice” and left. So yes, he never said the exact words “I don’t want to be your friend.”
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  • Thank you for your clarifications. 1. I am sorry that you had to deal with that. It's not easy to have a friend express that kind of disgust. However, the feelings are far from rare. If you ever saw "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective", part of the movie's comedy featured various male characters realizing that they had unknowingly been kissing another male, and being thoroughly grossed out by it. The later "Hot Tub Time Machine" had something similar in nature. 2. True. I believe that they were among the first denominations to marry gay couples when the practice was legalized. In my experience, Lutherans are also pretty tolerant. 3. He might need time to process the news. If you ever read the "coming out" sequence in the comic strip "For Better or For Worse", various people needed time to accept the revelation by a recurring character that he was gay. In the strip, it was mostly hours/days. For some people, it's longer. No guarantees, though. 4. Homophobia is typically more intense in teen-agers than older people. I know how I was back then. And honestly, I have to wonder how my teenaged self could have handled all the gay-rights advances that have occured in our society recently. 5. Again, that could mean a lot of things. A member of my family made a choice I didn't and don't approve of, some years back. I won't go into details, but innocent people were hurt in the process. I hate what she did; I hate it passionately, virulently, and eternally. I still accept her as family, but I had to make the same decision that your friend has to make now. I don't envy either of you. I will keep both of you in my thoughts and prayers.

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    • Edited by TheArtist: 8/1/2019 11:31:46 AM
      [i]"It is better to be hated for you are, than loved for who you are not."[/i] Although it hurts, this individual did you a favor. He is NOT a friend. He may have been lifelong companion....a longtime acquaintance. But he is not a friend. A friend is someone who accepts you for who you are....in truth. Which is why a TRUE friend is actually something quite RARE....and something to truly be treasured when its found. A friend----even if goes against his religious beliefs----would have accepted this about you. What he's told you is that he can only accept you to the degree that you are LIKE him. That he cannot see you as a seperate person....but simply as an extension and reflection of himself. ...and I know it hurts like hell. Because someone who was very important in my own life, could only relate to me in that manner. But you need to move on....and find a true friend. Fact is that we sometimes outgrow the people around us. We evolve....and they don't. We change....and they can't cope with it. People, places, and things only have the power over us that WE give them. His inability to accept you the way you are is HIS problem. Don't make it YOUR problem by giving him the power to control what you think of yourself, and how much you value yourself. HE belongs to a religion that preaches that we are to LOVE even those whom are believed to be "sinners"....and he has been revealed to be a hypocrite. Do not let an insane world tell you who you are, who you should be, and what you are worth. They don't have the right. You are NOT a Child of a Lesser God. Live the Truth of who you are. Because---as long as you are not harming anyone else.----you have done nothing to be ashamed of. You ARE nothing to be ashamed of.

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      • I personally don't support the LGBT movement, but the fact that he ditched you because of that was wrong. Sorry man, hope it gets better

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        • Edited by Neko Neko Nya: 8/3/2019 12:17:13 AM
          What does being a trump supporter have to do with anything? Sounds like you are just as judgmental as your friend. What he said wasn’t homophobic. It was just his opinion, which he is entitled to just as you are. Also, people will like you more if you stop making your sexuality a part of your identity. Nobody cares. It’s not unique.

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          • Edited by Uncanny_Vale: 8/1/2019 8:57:03 AM
            You did nothing wrong. There’s nothing wrong with being gay or bisexual. Your friends bigotry is the problem - not you. Give him time, maybe he’ll come around, maybe he won’t. Hopefully he does learn to realize his beliefs are wrong and maybe you can use this as an opportunity to educate him. But if he doesn’t and continues to allow his religious beliefs to poison his thinking then you are better off without him. Try to find more open minded friends I guess. Good luck.

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            • I know exactly how you feel. I'm a gay male and when I came out to a friend I had known right around the same amount of years as you knew your friend, he did the same thing. He said "Can you not be gay around me?" I was shocked and will me and him haven't spoken since that day due to what he said to me. I'm still in pain from it. I'm just happy I never saw him again though.

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              • Did he say “We’re not friends anymore!”, or did he just leave?

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                • [quote]My friend went on a homophobic rant after I told him I was bisexual.[/quote] It would be interesting to hear the actual words and context of what the friend said. Did he actually tell you that the friendship was over, or are you only going off that he does not accept that you are bi?

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                  • Go to church with him.

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                    • If I, a male, was friends with a gay or bisexual male that would make me uncomfortable too. It’s not that I’m homophobic or anti all that, but it would make me think that that friend might end up liking me. It would just be weird.

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                      • If you care about this friend... give each other time to process. The thing about something being life-long is that you have to deal with life. You seem young still. This is not a bad thing. Just know that life will hit you like this again and again. Someone told me once give things the time they deserve. A few hours is just a breath in time. My best friend and I have known each other for over 30 years. There have been plenty of times we could have just said f it I’m out. But if it means something, give it time it needs.

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                        • You didn't do anything wrong. Your ''friend'' sounds like a close-minded ass to me. You're probably better off without him.

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                          • Stop whining

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                          • ... Well from his position he's thinking he's doing the right thing, and trying to help you, also, he's probably rethinking everything you've done together as that it was romantically motivated, if he doesn't respond he doesn't respond, you'll both move on, friends aren't forever, they die, or move, or you just lose touch, it's just a part of life, so you'll have to just accept that if he doesn't talk to you again... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]

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                            [quote](Its a long story, I’ll promise I’ll put a TLDR at the end) I’ve been friends with this kid since 6th grade. We were both weird, unathletic kids who liked Minecraft and broadcasting class, and he was my only friend for a while. The only conflict in our friendship was our political beliefs; he’s a Trump-supporting Catholic, and I’m a Dem. But besides from that, everything was fine, until today. Last year, I finally realized that I was bisexual, but I stayed closeted because I live in a Really conservative area and because I was still in school. I did tell some of my very close friends and my family, but I didn’t tell this friend because I was afraid of what would happen, and unfortunately, I was right. I told him today. He got upset, said I should’ve told him earlier. Then he told me that I should go to church with him, and that it might help. I asked him how it would help, and he started to go on this homophobic rant about how I was going to hell. This was a shock to me, because in all of our conversations he seemed to be very supportive of the LGBT+ community. I ended up leaving by myself and going home. TLDR: My friend went on a homophobic rant after I told him I was bisexual. It’s been 6 hours and I’m still not over it. Did I do something wrong? What do I do now? (Sorry if it’s written weird, it’s almost one in the morning here and I’ve been an emotional wreck for the past few hours) Edit 1: Going to bed now, thanks for all the kind messages (including those who sent pms) Edit 2: Wanted to answer a couple of questions: 1. What he said was homophobic, he told me it was disgusting that I could even think about gay you-know-what, despite the fact I told him i was more interested romantically than sexually in men. 2. I am an Episcopalian, who’re traditionally more tolerant of the LGBT community. I am not very religious though. 3. I’ve reached out to him, he hasn’t responded yet. 4. We’re both seniors in high school. 5. He said he couldn’t support my “lifestyle choice” and left. So yes, he never said the exact words “I don’t want to be your friend.”[/quote] Perhaps pray for the release of the deviant demons inside of you?

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                            [quote]Then he told me that I should go to church with him, and that it might help[/quote] oof

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                          • When you say homophobia to him is probably just either the fear that you like him or he is concerned for your spiritual health. I don’t take it personally but if he starts treating you differently or not talking to you as much then you should probably just move on. It’s sad when that happens but some in this world are scared of change.

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                          • People like this often react too much. I can attest. My motto is this, and has always been this, if you are gay, bisexual, furry, or etc, that’s alrighty. Just don’t try to turn me into one or force me to look at your “private” stashes. If you can accept that, then it’s perfectly fine! Being bisexual isn’t bad as long as you know your limits. For example, I’m supposed to feel attracted to girls right? Yet every single time I see one I’m like “you again?” Actually, come to think of it, that’s generally my response to pretty much everyone. Huh. Anyhoo, let him cool down and explain to him when the time comes that it doesn’t matter because unless you want a “romantic” relationship with him, it changes absolutely nothing.

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                          • Do what I’m doing Rebuild

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                            • You move on. That’s all you do. Move on. Don’t reach out. Don’t try to save it. Just go about your life. This is not the first or last time this will happen to you. Your life just changed. Keep living it regardless of who participates in it with you.

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                            • Edited by Oddish43: 8/1/2019 9:31:45 PM
                              I would be interested in knowing what exactly he said. Homophobia is an irrational fear and/or hatred of same-sex inclined people. There is a lot of territory between homophobia in its purest, ugliest, most vicious form (which I saw a lot of, having been a teen-ager during the AIDS crisis) and simply not being able to give one's blessing to a life choice that your religion declares to be a sin. If what you heard was the former, then you would be well rid of this person even if you weren't bi. If the latter, then in time he might be willing to accept you as you are, though he might dislike the choices that you make. My understanding of Catholic doctrine is that they are supposed to take a "hate the sin but love the sinner" approach. In that same vein, telling someone that a given life choice might send them to hell is not necessarily homophobia. What he said could very possibly stem from a genuine concern about your eternal fate. I'm not demanding that you convert to his beliefs, just asking that you understand that they are what they are, and they're very important to him. Imagine if you knew someone who was using hard drugs or driving drunk... wouldn't you try to warn them that they were going to kill themselves? They might call you a holy roller or some such nonsense, but if you are really this person's friend, you're going to try to warn them. Same principle, really. Finally, it is possible that what you have been trained to regard as homophobia by media and pop culture is nothing but. The prevailing wisdom in our society is to be intolerant of Christians because of their refusal to bless gay sex, and that is actually just as intolerant as the anti-gay abusiveness that was commonplace before the 1969 Stonewall Riots, and that reemerged 15 years later when AIDS appeared. Media liberals are very good at simultaneously complaining about an action done by others, while doing it themselves, and completely failing to recognize their own hypocrisy. I urge you not to fall into the same trap. I hope that whatever choice you make, regarding your friend, you can understand that it's very possible that he might have been upset when you spoke. I also hope you understand that he might have been acting out of concern rather than disgust or hatred. And finally, I'm not judging either of you: as the Bible reminds us*, that's not my job. *Matt. 7:1

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                            • Find a new friend, one that respects your sexuality

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                            • Well in Catholicism, homosexuality is considered a sin, because of the way every human was designed for men and women to be partners. However, I think the going to hell thing is too far. Sure being homo is a sin. But it doesn’t guarantee your going to hell. You can still live your life that way and not go to hell. At least in what I know. Try to tell him this and see if he understands.

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                              • Edited by blaw_pt_atc: 8/2/2019 2:14:48 AM
                                Here’s my stance as a conservative Christian on the whole lgbtq thing. I’m not going to support what you stand for. But I’m still going to love you and treat you as one of my own. For clarification I mean support as in donating money to that cause but I’ll give you money if you need food or something of the sort. What your friend did was wrong. The whole inviting to church is fine and I encourage it but condemning you to hell is not his job. You are loved no matter what you believe.

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                              • If that's how they feel then just forget about that -blam!-

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