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Is it Morally Acceptable to Beat Your Slave?

No; beating people (barring self defense) is always wrong.

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Yes; but only given that the slave did something to deserve it

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Yes; the slave is your property

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No; owning another person as property is wrong to begin with

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I must first apologize because the poll options are not mutually exclusive. Sorry. But in my mind there are only two acceptable answers. I hope to hear from Christians who are willing and able to defend Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV) 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”
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  • God be like: Eating shellfish? An abomination unto god. Two men loving each other? An abomination unto god. Wearing fabrics of more than one type of material? An abomination unto god. Bacon? An abomination unto god. Owning slaves and beating them? Meh. As long as they don’t die within the next few days I’m cool with it.

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    • Damn the fedoras and the cultists are really going at each other in here lmao.

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      • Edited by The Dragon: 7/25/2019 2:29:30 AM
        You would rather those people be put to death? Those were the options back then in times of war. You also conveniently left out the parts where God constantly reminded His people that they themselves were once slaves in Egypt, from which He freed and that He called them to love their neighbor as themselves. God provides legal parameters, regulating the practice to be way more humane than how slavery was practiced in the rest of the world at that time, but then also adds higher moral callings. But I conveniently avoided addressing at least a third option because I would just [i]love[/i] for you to ask about it so that I can make plain your ignorance. Go ahead! Do it! Behold: there is footing! Take it! I beckon you! You preach against slavery and yet how many of your daily used products were made by enslaved hands that were outsourced outside of your first-world bubble-country? Oh, but ignorance is bliss, right? But go ahead, by all means! Continue to demonstrate not only your cherry-picking ignorance, but your self-righteous hypocrisy! Answer me this little one: is it morally acceptable that you disobey God? Stay your course for the next 90 years of your life and then tell me when you find out at the end of it! I’ll wait!

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        • You really should read the whole book before posting a couple of passages from it.

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          • Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 7/27/2019 11:48:46 AM
            Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference. Not only those that are kind and gentle, but also those that are harsh. For it is to your credit if, being aware of god, you endure pain and suffering unjustly. 1 Peter 2:18 Yeeeaaa.... the Bible is pretty nuts and terrible. These kinds of beliefs were our first attempt at philosophy and originate with the infancy of human discovery during a time when we didn’t know where the sun went at night or that we shared this planet with countless microorganisms and we used these kinds of ideas to explain things like weather and disease and when we equated morality to authority almost exclusively. It’s no wonder the god of the Bible is incredibly human in his appetites in a way that shows all the terrible things humans can be and do to one another.

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            • Whoa whoa whoa hold the phone and let’s all just calm down, the Bible and it’s morals and beliefs change COMPLETELY from the Old Testament and the New Testament. I’m not gonna get into it because that’s a whole other can of worms that we can keep somewhere else just ya know...not here with you know who around still.

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            • After reading all the posts, I can see how badly America's education system is. It is simply amazing how people dont know how slavery came about.

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            • Okay, so first off, I am completely agains slavery as whole, and so voted for the last option. I’m sure you’ve heard this a lot, but I’ll just restate anyways. The slavery referred to in this passage, is defined better a “Indentured Servitude”. This Indentured Servitude happens when someone isn’t able to pay off a debt, and so sells himself *as property* to his debtor, for a preset amount of time, as a substitute of his payment. The Bible constantly warns against the danger of debt, and the possibility’s having to turn oneself, as the one creature bearing God’s Image, into property in order to pay off a debt, should be strongly despised. As for the whole “beating slaves” thing, (or “indentured servants”), that changes depending on your presuppositions regarding slaves. While the correct view would be that people should NEVER be property, in this specific situation, the concerned person turned themselves into that. So, due to the fact that they practically told themselves into a few years of “slavery”. The idea behind the law is, as crazy as it seems, the protection of the slave. Owners of these slaves were allowed to punish their slaves, as a parent punishes their child, as a reminder of poor, or bad behavior. A beating, which unfortunately, was, and still is, a common punishment, and the rule was just trying to limit the amount of abuse in their culture, without being too overbearing. Obviously there’s always going to be gray areas, and cruel masters, the law just hoped to prevent that, while at the same time not be super involved in every little detail of the people’s lives.

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              • Yes, spanking is a good form of beating.

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                • So the Bible has a rule against beating your slave... Yet not one for having a slave in the first place?

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                  • Edited by Winter: 7/24/2019 5:17:51 PM
                    Hippity Hoppity Argonians are Property

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                    • [b] [/b]

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                    • The Bible supports slavery so...

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                    • Edited by KDA420: 7/25/2019 10:13:22 AM
                      Presuming we could actually own a slave the answer would be yes, a slave is disposable property. But we can’t have slaves because slavery is wrong and more importantly illegal, so your question becomes moot 🤷‍♂️

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                      • [quote]I must first apologize because the poll options are not mutually exclusive. Sorry. But in my mind there are only two acceptable answers. I hope to hear from Christians who are willing and able to defend Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV) 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”[/quote] All the Christians claiming ‘oh, that’s OT stuff. Not relevant today’, miss the fact that slaves were still in the NT.

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                      • I had a thought out explanation here, that I copied, and then for some odd reason the whole thing got deleted, so that’s unfortunate. Give me a hot minute and I’ll write it out again.

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                        • Edited by ElBambino: 7/26/2019 3:36:05 AM
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                        • You’ve already had this explained to you about 5 times. The first 5 books were written in a more savage time, where the Israelites went to war often and obtained many prisoners of war. These prisoners became slaves. And if someone recovered in 1 or 2 days, they weren’t hurt that badly.

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                          • I’m it gonna take the time to type this out, I’m too tired atm. But keep in mind that back then, slavery was much different back then compared to how it was recently

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                          • Atheist privilege is not having to "welllll, actually..." slavery

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                            • Yeah these verses aren’t exactly culturally relevant nowadays.

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                            • [quote]I hope to hear from Christians who are willing and able to defend Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV) 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”[/quote]I'm not sure there will be too many Judaizers and legalists here. The forum is much younger than Baby Boomers and Gen X'ers.

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                            • [quote] [b]But in my mind there are only two acceptable answers[/b]. I hope to hear from Christians who are willing and able to defend Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV) [/quote] Lolololol I love that bold part. Pretty much says you’re not willing to listen to and/or except any other explanation except that which you already have in your head. Your mind is already made up. Makes me wonder why you would even make a thread like this???? Bad troll is bad lol I do give you an A for effort.

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                              • Yet you can drive through your living room with your own truck legally.

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                                • Only if you're a member of the Saudi royal family.

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