From all the comments, basically the line is drawn here: I have it and know the perk is way too OP for how easy it is to activate, and I need it to win, so I'm against any nerf completely even though it isn't even that bad. -or- I recognize the entire sandbox for what it is and welcome a fairer fight for everybody by raising the ttk by 0.1-0.15s. May the better [b][i][u]player[/u][/i][/b] win.

Pinnacle weapons shouldn't be automatic "I win" buttons, which [i]Magnificent Howl[/i] was. Other HCs could 3-tap, some even 2-tap under super extreme circumstances (rampage x3 + Kill clip) that realistically never happen outside of controlled scenarios. For how powerful the perk is, it was far, far too easy to activate and at 180rpm, made you virtually unbeatable in a 1v1.

The situation with LH/NF is going to be the same as in D1 with The Last Word. Everyone is going to -blam!- and moan they need to be nerfed until they do. Then this cycle will repeat when they still get beaten with the weapons again. Then again. Then again. Because little do they realize it isn't the weapon's fault. The weapons are doing their job of rewarding precision aim. The player getting beaten just isn't as good as they think they are, and as such, get their feelings hurt when they lose a match.

I would rather be 3tapped by a Luna’s then crossmapped by An Erentil. Just sayin. Get ready. It’s coming....

On PC, nothing needs to change. Ace of spades and service revolver are as good, if not better. TLW is good as well

[quote]Please answer honestly so Bungie can have a clear picture on what the community wants. I would say I fall under option 2 but I would also like to hear other people’s opinions.[/quote] I only wanted them nerfed to see the reactions from the people who paid hundreds and thousands of dollars, and gave their account infos to strangers for them. Other than that, I don't agree with nerfs.

I only and will only ever have lunas howl because I don't have the skill.... However, I have out gunned many a person with my trust hand cannon, both the role I wanted and the curated version. It's meta because it's good, it's not game breaking in my eyes Also, for those who really do manage to get not forgotten? Hat off to you, and as its such a rare weapon it definitely DOES NOT deserve a nurf. I think it's cruel to punish those good enough to get it

I have both. I only can say People with only Luna are literaly -blam!-ed this gun is dead. Nf will be average a 150 with out a working dmg perk not useless but a none competer for Service Revolver on console. 180 dominate because of bloom. Nf is fine on PC and would also be on console if this wouldn't exist. Most People complaining about are to lazy to put effort into something. I prefer a Luna/NF Meta still more than Kids Camping in spawn with pulserifles and Scouts. The only 150 RPM to play on console is not solving a problem it showcase it more than ever. People which don't see that must be blind that's maybe the reason why they don't hit shots and can't go to fable. To be honest Nf has to be powerfull going to legend is no joke and the reward has to be meanigfull. This is not anymore the gun i grinded for and it's frustrating. That's my Personal opinion a nerf wasn't necessary if we Show PC Meta and the Rest People anyway play the strongest gun it doesn't matter and if it's a gun you worked for it's rewarding. This nerf actually solves nothing Service Revolver will take it's place and this will be more anoying Nf and Luna stoped the rise of jotunn and erentil which are far more potent this next Meta is disgusting bs and you guys will play it.. It's imposting..varity(a big fat noob lie where are all your weapon perfection triumphs i have it and not even 0.1% of the Rest of the community so 99.9% crying about things they don't do anyway that's well... Imposter you should shame) Every other handcanon will still be Bad on console. If you don't want to play Meta than don't do it as long i can do we rans, Phantoms, Multis with White rarity guns there is no problem. So what exactly happend? Right by crying and stating false arguments you destroyed other rewards (sarcasm be proud of yourself.) And this Skill shit is also a bs Argument guys.. A guy that kills you with not forgotten or Luna or idk the spoon of your grandma kills you with everything. I kill you with every gun there is no gun Skill or easy to use gun there are only good players, bad players, situations and knowledge this guns do only shooting not more so WTF? Also People pretend it has no recoil i can showcase it has outbreak prime doesn't have it. I accept a nerf but not an overdose of an nerf making the perk and the special about the gun gone. If bungie really wanted to nerf things right they had made the perk only trigger on headshot and made it exotic. I am not a great Fan of nerfs and would prefer to see that underrated guns like pistols, Scouts, ARs and so on would get buffed but People choose always an easy brain less escape traping thereself in a deathtrap. Look what it brought to you all exotics get nerfed by the same logic like that they are to potent right? That's Karma.. You guys gave them this Argumentation reason. That's also the truth face it or stay blind idc, and don't cry on me i don't answer this shit anymore.

Firstly, leave NF alone, that gun is a ballache to get and those who have it 100% deserve it for sitting through the single worst competitive multiplayer available today. As for LH, yes to the RPM change, no to the howl change. It's simply not needed in the slightest.

They don't belong in the game, period. They've ruined PvP for long enough, and it's time for them to die off.

The problem with these guns is that the perk proc may be situational but people forget..these guns are earned in comp and people team-shoot in comp. Multiple LH and NF hitting you from multiple sides is just ridiculous. Your chances of countering drop extremely low. Pair it with everyone’s favorite crutch...Dust Rock Blues or Erentil. You ever gone against a 6 stack in QP using non-meta gear and as soon as they get scrapped on they change to LH/DRB to win?! Absolutely hilarious stuff...seen it so many times. That’s why I find it an absolute joke when people complain about Exotic weapons. Just let them be in PvE and it’s all good from here on out....newcomers might actually be able to enjoy crucible for once..lol.

Here’s my experience and 2¢ I’ll start off with this: never should have added them to the game. Here’s why, they’re too strong. I can fight and outgun typically anyone in a one-on-one, but this gun makes 2 on one easy. It gives me the range my antiope struggles at and kills that much more effectively. The nerf, while it makes me sad, is warranted. The weapon makes the gap between good players and bad ones that much bigger. [spoiler]Will not lie though, it’s hilarious watching people who don’t deserve that gun lose to me when I’m not using it. Just disappointing.[/spoiler]

The RoF change is fine. The perk change is stupid, I like to use Luna’s in PvE but this change completely makes it useless in there.