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Wow Even the Forbes Guy Thinks Your TWAB Solution Is Terrible

Wow, even the guy at Forbes sees that this proposed “solution” to the core issue is terrible at best (and a blatant disregard for the players at worst). It honesty feels as if the devs are telling the players “this is our game and you’re going to play it the way we tell you to. It doesn’t matter what you want”. The additional bounties proposal or whatever just screams “MORE BUSYWORK” to artificially inflate what we have to do to be able to infuse/wear/use the weapons and armor that we want.

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  • Edited by SmokeShadow_27: 4/13/2019 5:15:43 PM
    If you don't read this, I don't blame you. But if you do, I think everyone will be able to relate, or at the very least, understand To everybody, especially Bungie, attempting to justify a broken system, please hear my perspective. I have defended Destiny for the past what, 5 years? I'm a day 1 D1 veteran who has always shut down the haters. I support bungie through thick and thin. But I also have no lifed this game and I hoarde. So I have every material I will ever need. I have thousands of crucible tokens, vanguard tokens, raid tokens, etc to help my lagging titan level up whenever needed. I have thousands of gunsmith materials, hundreds of MW cores, and hundreds of mods components (not going to waste them now until infusion cost is changed). I am far from the typical person complaining because he didn't put in the time that another player did. I am also in a select group of players like me whose progress and stock of materials should not dictate the economy for average players. With this being said, I now have a unique perspective of the game. After years of me hoping she would, my gf has finally begun Destiny. I now see the massive flaw with this game. She has been leveling quickly due to my guidance and tips (which would be substantially more difficult if she didn't have someone like me to help her maximize efficiency while still having fun.) But here's what sucks: I was so excited when she got raiden flux, for example. She loves arcstrider. So for about half an hour at best, she loved the exotic perk from RF. Once it was outclassed by about 20 levels, she has never worn it since. How about Origin Story or Kibou? I was stoked once again since she loves auto rifles. 20 minutes later, she never used those two again. She is always maxed on glimmer and has a fair amount of planetary materials, so if infusion was legit cost, she could still be using some of these coveted items. But no. She has 1 masterwork core. Wtf is she gonna do? She doesn't complain much, cause we are having fun but she is missing out on using all the best legendaries and exotics the game has to offer. Instead of getting excited about a drop (which I know to be an exciting drop), she simply doesn't give a shit, because it might as well just be another blue item to her, soon to be outleveled by the next drop. Hello?! Isn't a huge part of Destiny being excited about drops? C'mon, Im sure we can all agree here. This is a problem. To demand a new or casual player use blue gear mixed with mediocre purples from level 0 all way to level 700 is a massive -blam!-ing problem and an astoundingly shortsighted position to take. She does not grind like me, so it will be a long time before she hits 700, and once she does, unless I get her to farm Spyder bounties instead of doing the fun stuff we enjoy, she still will not be able to infuse anything, let alone ever masterwork a -blam!-ing gun. I hope my perspective hits home with somebody at Bungie. I am as much a veteran as you can get, and I have a rookie gf, and seeing how diminishing the experience is for her is truly a shame. Every exotic she gets is vaulted. What's the point? Most of them being mission rewards are underleveled anyways. Bungie, dont you want people to enjoy the legendaries and exotics in this game? Why cripple so much of the playerbase? This is absolutely absurd. I actually used to be one of the ones defending enhancement cores for infusion. I get it completely: level smart, use same gear pieces, use exotics, pull from collections, use the Brother Vance farm, dont infuse every 10 levels, etc, I've heard it all and done it all. Yet I see past all that now, having a unique perspective from both a no lifer's and a noob's point of view. Removing cores from infusion causes zero issues. Absolutely zero. There's no emotional feeling I get from infusing. That's a bullshit excuse from Bungie to make us play longer, to attempt to excuse the chores they want us to do. Keeping them as part of infusion only causes headaches, less fun, more tedious tasks, and more people leaving the game. My gf and I have been having fun together in D2, but there's another D2 that just came out that doesn't seem to have one glaring major issue that the community constantly asks to be fixed.... maybe we will try that out soon. Because blues and shitty purples can only keep a player interested for so long. #removecoresfrominfusion Sincerely, A lifelong Destiny veteran and defender, who has finally seen the light, and I can only hope Bungie listens. PS Paul Tassi Forbes article says it perfectly. TL:DR The economy should not be dictated by people like me who have no-lifed this game and hoarded for years. We will always have more than everyone else; so be it. But allow everyone else to enjoy the game too, and not be crippled because of the no-lifers and their outrageous stock of materials. They are not hurting anyone by having a bunch of materials, but Bungie is hurting everyone else by dictating economy according to the select players with tons of everything.

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    • who cares what some "forbes guy" thinks , just because he wrote an article doesnt mean his opinion is important or anything

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    • I'm actually quite pissed at how they're "addressing" the enhancement core hysteria. Personally I didn't have issues farming cores, but many people did, and the system only worked effectively for people who play hours a day. So Bungie's change next season actually is screwing over both casuals who hate the current system and hardcore players who will be worse off in the new system. By getting rid of scrapper bounties and making core bounties sold by Banshee for gunsmith materials, now everyone loses. No longer can you stock up mod components from Ada, or roll for good weapons from Banshee. Next season you will be forced to choose between cores, mods or weapon rolls because now all 3 will cost gunsmith materials. For casuals, you still won't play enough to scrap enough gear to get the gunsmith materials to buy the bounties. For people who played enough and got by on scrapper bounties, now you have to give up on buying drops from Banshee or mod components from Ada because you have to spend gunsmith materials to get cores you previously got from just scrapping gear. Nice sleight of hand, Bungie. Pretend you're compromising on the infusion system but instead you're making the whole system more grindy and -blam!-ing over everyone harder.

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      • It is worth mentioning that Forbes is not a gaming magazine and is there for not motivated by what will keep them in the good graces of the gaming industry for insider information. Forbes is primarily for people who follow business developments and largely for investors to try and keep ahead of the winds of change so that they know when to buy, and when to "SELL! SELL IT ALL! SELL EVERY LAST SHARE AND DO IT TEN MINUTES AGO!" So when a writer for Forbes is talking about developments in the gaming sector, they aren't talking from a position of what is going to excite gaming fans, they're talking from a position of what is going to interest investors. What investors are seeing is indifferent to the overall happiness of the player base. What they are seeing is the viability of the company and there for it's potential for growth. And what they are seeing when it comes to Bungie is an out of touch software (games are software fundamentally) developer and electronic entertainment provider that is fundamentally out of touch with it's customer base, and seems more interested in making the product it wants to make, regardless of rather that product has a viable consumer base, than it is interested in meeting demand with supply or consumer retention. That is to say, a highly toxic, self interested, rigid business model that is unwilling to be flexible with it's product in response to consumer feedback which 90% of the time results in the business failing to meet financial goals, which long story short, constitutes a dangerous investment risk which not only will likely not result in returns, but rather, will likely result in losses. So it's kinda like this. If a business cannot or will not make it's customers happy, it needs to at least make it's investors happy. If a company cannot or will not make it's investors happy, it needs to at least be making it's customers happy. Right now, neither customers, nor investors, are pleased with Bungie or the Destiny experience. So if you're not interested in making either your customers or your shareholders happy..... What exactly is the business model? What exactly are their goals? "Make the game we want to make even if it fails and we end up bankrupt"?... I mean I understand the emotion behind "We're going to run our business our way no matter what anyone thinks" but it's provably a disastrous point of view to approach business from. If Forbes is calling out Bungie they're not doing it because of how they feel about the game, they're doing it to ring an alarm bell for investors "don't put your money here."

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        • If you want to really make a statement since obviously Bungie ain’t listening to the community. Stop playing the game so they can really see the numbers drop. Not playing is biggest weapon we have against developers. Of course people are just gonna keep playing and complaining instead of putting their foots down.

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          • Edited by Xc_LuxZenRa: 3/26/2019 3:22:35 PM
            pass this to the Dev Team. Let us be very clear! [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251450868?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Edited Version: Those that Prefer No Emoji's~Follow Me.[/url] Bungie: 🤭We Hear you! Bungie: 🥳based on your feedback🥳 we will Remove Scrapper Bounties and add Gunsmith Bounties to earn more cores. Community:😐😑 IT WON'T BE ENOUGH! THIS IS NOT A FIX!😤😡🤬 Bungie: 🧐We Hear you!..🖕Ahem: Our hope(Just Leave it alone🧟‍♂️ Guardians)is that this increased access and control😈over Enhancement Core acquisition will help improve the balance of materials being earned vs. materials being used.🤥🤫 Community:🗣 Bungie, 🗣🗣BUNgie, BUNGIE!!🗣🗣🗣 don't you get it??? [b]“If enhancement cores are removed from infusion, the problem will be ________.” [/b]🙏🙏🙏🤨🤨😡 Bungie: 🙄...infusion won’t be as impactful. 🕴🏼We keep a close eye on the amount of infusion materials being earned versus how many are being used and will continue to make adjustments as needed.” Community: 💩🤮🤯🤯🤯😫🙅‍♀️🙅‍♂️😡😤 1)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418699?sort=0&page=0]Wow Even the Forbes Guy Thinks Your TWAB Solution Is Terrible[/url] 2)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418262?sort=0&page=0]It's a game/hobby, not a job.[/url] 3)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251417963?sort=0&page=0]Paul Tassi said it perfectly![/url] 4) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418573?sort=0&page=0]FORBES:[/url] 5)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251463085?sort=0&page=0] Bungie. Listen. To. Your. Community.[/url] 6)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418097?sort=0&page=0]At this point, Bungie is begging us to boycott the game[/url] 7)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251412308?sort=0&page=0]The TWABs (Solution) To Enhancement Cores is Unacceptable[/url] 8)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251422793?sort=0&page=0]Can we get rid of stupid enhancement cores?[/url] 9) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251452307?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Play a Game Where The Devs Listen[/url] 10)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411799?sort=0&page=0]Enahancement core changes show bungie doesn't care about our feedback.[/url] 11)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251428261?sort=0&page=0]The Core Poll[/url] 12) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251414088?sort=0&page=0]#CoresRemoveChoice and a Proposing a Boycott?[/url] 13) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251456236?sort=0&page=0]Why do changes take so long?[/url] 14) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251464650?sort=0&page=0]I'm waiting for Enhancement Cores to show up in bundle packages[/url] 15)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251419308?sort=0&page=0]Let's show bungie they need to remove master cores or change to only one per infushion please up vote![/url] 16)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251410810?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores[/url] 17) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251464433?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores from infusing[/url] 18)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251436487?sort=0&page=0]#Remove enhancement cores from infusing bungie[/url] 19)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251416524?sort=0&page=0]Remove Infusion Cores simply to gain back some customer goodwill[/url] 20) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251453120?sort=0&page=0]REMOVE. CORES. FROM INFUSION. COSTS.[/url] 21)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418537?sort=0&page=0]You should start listening to your community rather than say your listening[/url] 22)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411913?sort=0&page=0]THE INVESTMENT TEAM IS TONE DEAF![/url] 23)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251419439?sort=0&page=0]Ditch the cores![/url] 24)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251438928?sort=0&page=0]The Infusion Problem Will Get Worse Each Season[/url] 25)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251416147?sort=0&page=0]The enhancement core bounties are no fix[/url] 26) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251427662?sort=0&page=0]Why replace scrapper bounties when you can have both?[/url] 27) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418315?sort=0&page=0]The amount of ways you get Enhancement Cores is not the problem. It's how wasteful using them for infusion is.[/url] 28)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251411497?sort=0&page=0]Are you happy with the announced changes regarding Enhancement Cores next season?[/url] 29) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251422336?sort=0&page=0]Is Bungie Not Gonna Address 95% Of The Communities Concern?[/url] 30) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251345297?sort=0&page=0]The leveling is still bad[/url] 31)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251436069?sort=0&page=0]Congrats Bungie![/url] 32) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418266?sort=0&page=0]Thank you Bungie Dev Team! I finally made a "meaningful choice"[/url] 33) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251439614?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]Masterwork cores need to return. #coresremovechoice[/url] 34) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251464519?sort=0&page=0]Last screams of the missing neighbours[/url] 35) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418636?sort=0&page=0]Tired of my characters looking like patch work dolls for the sake of light level[/url] 36)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251412287?sort=0&page=0]Bungie doesn’t respect player time investment[/url] 37) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251461764?sort=0&page=0]Bungie doesn't read any feedbacks written in other languages.[/url] 38)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418128?sort=0&page=0]Bungie out of touch[/url] 39)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251413867?sort=0&page=0]Strengthen Your Core (from a players perspective)[/url] 40)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251441917?sort=0&page=0]A unique perspective on cores and infusing[/url] 41)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251418132?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=0]Letter to Devs -[/url] 42) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251450868?page=0&sort=0&showBanned=0&path=1]A Message to the Bungie Team! -Click Me-[/url] 43) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251441735?sort=0&page=0]Don’t give up on destiny[/url] 44)[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251463732?sort=0&page=0] Make your case for KEEPING enhancement cores as part of INFUSION.[/url] 45) [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251434856?sort=0&page=0]Open invitation to any Bungie developers that would like to have a discussion with the forum community on investment and progression[/url] Bungie: 😣😬🤐🤐🤐 Thinking:*😏 We told em in the TWAB the changes won't come until next season😆. that gives us more than enough time to come up with another Non-solution. 😎GG Team...GG.* Bungie: 👮‍♂️Guardians, guardians...👮‍♀️Settle Down. 🕴🏼You know Us.🕴🏼 Remember the Good old 🕹Halo Days(We Sure Don't)!? I can 🙄assure you that we are listening(⚙️⚙️⚙️). As always, we’ll be continuously 😴monitoring this item economy, along with your 💩feedback to assess its effectiveness.” [url=https://youtu.be/87pr-fguT8I]Destiny 2 Leveling is Still Bad[/url] [url=https://youtu.be/QXGoaFCtX6I]Destiny 2 Leveling Easy Fix[/url]

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            • This is not new behavior from bungie, and that is exactly how they feel.

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            • Already quit the game so it could help Bungie notice. More people need to quit the game. Stop complaining and boycott. Seriously, Bungie cares about numbers, not our rhetoric at this point.

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            • Yeah this game sucks

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            • Play Division 2 all week. Take a 30min break to do the Xur bounty. Then back to Division 2. That’s it. Gambit prime/reckoning/thorn/cores/leveling...😴😴😴

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              • [quote]Wow, even the guy at Forbes sees that this proposed “solution” to the core issue is terrible at best (and a blatant disregard for the players at worst). It honesty feels as if the devs are telling the players “this is our game and you’re going to play it the way we tell you to. It doesn’t matter what you want”. The additional bounties proposal or whatever just screams “MORE BUSYWORK” to artificially inflate what we have to do to be able to infuse/wear/use the weapons and armor that we want.[/quote] Maybe make cores a form of currency for something else? That way all the neckbeards and try hardest [i]tHaT dOn'T hAvE pRobLeMs gEtTiNg cOrEs, hAvE lItErAl tHoUsAnDs, aNd jUsT PlAy tHe gAmE[/i] can still feel all high and mighty, while we don't have to suffer from purposeful hindrances.

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              • "EVEN the Forbes guy"? He has criticized the game plenty of times...but he does it when it's warranted and praises things when it's warranted too...he is usally dead on about the game more often than not

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              • No, not the Forbes guy! This franchise is officially doomed! 😱

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              • Paul tassi is a child with a pen.

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                • Reddit is on the same page....and I -blam!-ing hate Destiny Reddit.

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                  • Just don't play it for a while When numbers drastically drop off, perhaps they'll listen

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                    • People still playing this game are the more clueless ones.

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                      • Wow, how dumb is bungie?

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                        • Reminds me of Luke Smith's critique of bungie, they'll probably give him a job too.

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                        • He brings up a fair point, on paper it works, but in reality it's a pain in the ass. Just allow us to infuse similar weapon types into one another without spending cores

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                        • I read it too. Sad that Bungie refuses to listen despite all the feedback from it's players and the reviewers. Hind sight will be 20/20 when they are standing in the unemployment line.

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                          • That forbes guy nit picks everything. Every little thing. Also to be fair, Destiny is Bungies game, not our game, so while our feedback is important, we got into destiny because we liked there game, not because they liked our feedback, they can do what they want wether we like it or not.

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                          • I love how no one takes Forbes seriously until his opinion aligns with their own. Then it suddenly becomes a credible source. This is really funny.

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                          • Meh, he's just another spoilt entitled cry baby....there's a handful of them around. Funny creatures lol

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                            • Ah yes the total hack who gets paid for this

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                              • no one gives a shit about forbes

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