Apparently a lot of people thought that pvp already received a lot of love. Thorn is about to come back and further ruin it, so you have that. If I can get the seasonal content and the pinnacle weapons completed before the end of the season, I will enjoy a very long break from crucible.

Agreed PvP is neglected and needs love... better matchmaking is needed ( solo queue players, casual vs try hard stacks, new maps and variants, better repawn points, better rewards, etc.) and would make it a much better experience.

Comp should just rot. It's already killed the game.

That either kill it or -blam!-ing improve it right now it's -blam!-ing trash

I just need to clarify somethings. One I play both pve and pvp, so i'm an in between. When people say "We need to remove pvp" or "they need to separate pvp and pve" What they're really saying is. Stop trying to force a marriage that will never work or happen. Let me explain. Pvp isn't just a gamemode as most people would led you to believe. Calling it just a "gamemode" is incredibly right and wrong. It's right because it is a game mode but it's wrong because gamemodes don't affect the core game as much as it is in destiny. Let me explain, PvP to many is the end game and since D2 launched that was and still is the end game. Sure you can say that forges and raids are endgame but that's all just fodder that you have to go through to get to the real end game, Aka pvp. What do I mean by that you say? Well, what's the reason we chase loot? to get better loot. Now, why do we get loot? So we can stay competitive in pve and pvp. What's the point of getting loot that never changes how we play in pve though? So all pve players are doing is getting that roll that just helps them kill faster. aka kill clip or rampage because nothing else really helps. That's why perk diversity is a problem in the pve community. Bungie can't do anything about this though, why? Perks are directly connected to pvp. Almost all perks are balanced towards pvp. Guess why most perks don't really do anything useful. If one perk stands out too much guess what happens. PvP players notices it and complain about it. If one perk is too strong in pve then most people will just either go along with it or don't really care. I mean, I know Ikelos is strong but i really don't care enough to grind for it. A lot of people know it's strong but they don't care enough to grind for it since you can use the bare minimum and still be useful. However, in pvp if you don'tr have that certain roll you feel cheated. You feel as though someone won because they simply have a better roll than you. This was what Bungie was trying to do in D2 Y1 with no random rolls. Despite it being the worst time for Destiny it was the most "Balanced" for destiny. The only reason it failed was because of the meta which was group up and shoot anyone who dares look at your group. To all the people who say "Pvp never ruined pve" It has, it's called D2 Y1. Every change in the game from D1 to D2 was to balance pvp out. Just spend some time and think about it. Of course bungie set this up for themselves. They're the one who won't separate them. I'm not part of the, "ERADICATE PVP!!!" crowd. I simply believe they need to be separated so they can do their own thing. Removing PVP is removing a lot of players and I understand this so the only simple solution is to separate the two. Pvp is linked to the core gameplay and game flow. A pvp mode shouldn't have this much power over a game. Every change has to keep pvp in mind such as weapons balancing and exotics. Of course this could be said of pve as well. This is why I advocate for the separation of the two. If one thing leans too much towards one side it's off balance and disruptive. However if you find that middle ground it's, As a wise man once said, "Perfectly balanced, as all things should be." I actually planned on writing more but i'd rather not spend my time doing that. Just think about it, that's all. I don't hate pvp and will never condone the act of removing it but it does hold a lot of power over the game for just being, "a gamemode" that is optional. It affects the game as a whole.

Yeah, I’m tired of people leaving in comp.

No, it doesnt. We all know what a s***show it would be on these forums if Bungie used 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of its capabilities and resources to improve PvP.

It needs dedicated servers and balance.

Dear Bungie, Please have quality life changes to Comp playlist, enhanced armor for crucible, and some balance changes in PVP for the next update. Please don't forget about PVP! There are many who enjoy and support PVP. Shout out to Cammycakes for another great video and encouraging the positive community of PVP to be heard on the forums.