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2/24/2019 10:07:18 PM
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What does "being a gamer" actually mean nowadays?
So, i was watching Twitch the other day and stumbled upon a certain streamer who is offering to play with someones account to get Lunas Howl and Not Forgotten...
All public, on stream and he also advertises for that service. So if you want those weapons you basically pay like 400$ (for Lunas) and he will log onto your account and play for you...
First of all, isnt that violating the ToS of the game and battle net? like big time?!
and second, is it really how the gamer culture developed? lazy gamers that pay others to play a game? (Lunas and NF take much effort, okay, but still he also offers raids and other pve content if i got that right)
So whats the point of someone paying someone to play the game for me?
maybe i am just getting old, but back in my days, we played games to accomplish certain milestones ourselves.
i mean, sure it's a kinda smart move to capitalize (literally) on that behaviour, but seeing someone taking 400$ for a luna carry service, and getting donations and subs on stream while doing the service thing, f that, pure cringe.
So, is that what being a gamer is nowadays? paying others to pay the game for you? i miss the days when i got into gaming, and accomplishments took effort and people were not too lazy to accept that challange...
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2 RepliesIf people arent good enough to grind hell to get those weapons...if PvP is that hard for them, they don't deserve the gun. And what is the point of paying for them if you're bad at PvP in the first place? Getting the guns isn't going to improve the PvP experience for you. For instance, I can't and won't grind for mountain top. Comp was just too much for me after I got Luna. Im not going to pay for. It would feel so cheap and unfulfilling because I didn't go through pain to get it....I just paid. .....plus $200-400 for a -blam!-ing digital gun? Ffs.
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im a gamer. i play games.
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Edited by Ogma: Destroyer of Worlds: 2/26/2019 3:55:01 PMI don’t know. Money aside, I never really say “I am a gamer” when I talk about myself. I am a person, and I play video games. I do other things though. If anything it would be more accurate to say that I’m a geek or a nerd or whatever they call it now. Video games I just part of that. People seem to make it their life/“career” now though because of streaming. They make and spend a lot of money it. Can’t say I get making video games seem like work in that regard.
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5 RepliesFor many of us who live and work in the real world, time is money. In the time it takes us to grind for Luna's Howl, we make more than enough money to pay for a carry and still have enough left over to pay our monthly house mortgage, utilities, bills, and other discretionary spending. Hence, BUNGIE catered Destiny 2 to streamers (who should get real jobs) and tryhard no-life gamers.
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400 bucks? I can get two hookers in Vegas and a bottle of bourbon for that!
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3 RepliesReport the streamer
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Edited by ghostx78x: 2/26/2019 4:40:47 AMIt use to be ppl helping each other out back in d1 trials. If a streamer helped you go flawless you might sub to him or tip him $5. Idk how the hell we went from that to $850 for a Not Forgotten or even more. Basically the harder Bungie makes the game, the more prevalent this will become. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it except sit back and watch the shit show.
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As I said elsewhere - the irony of the community screeching about Eververse being a "slippery slope towards P2W" but the community ends up bringing P2W to Destiny themselves LMAO
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I would legit nut all over the show if I saw someone who paid 400 quid for a Luna get perma banned.
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Edited by Ken_Malibu: 2/26/2019 7:44:50 AMThis has been going on in video games for the last decade. Get perspective.
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52 RepliesEdited by Talktofranky: 2/25/2019 2:26:25 PMThe amount of moneyhowls and boughtforgottens must actually be staggering There's always more people asking to play for you FOR A FEE than are willing to team up and play comp legit not forgotten is killing me far to often, even in quickplay? Theres no way this gun should be around as much as it is currently? Unless the playerbase is so dead im only matching top players?? Just dont feel right to me Not forgotten takes 5500glory to obtain and i'm frequently killed by it in crucible? I've never even gotten to 2100 😅 wtf I'm really not surprised so many players are leaving
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Have you seen or met the people of the world nowadays? Yeah it's like that.
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You say "lazy gamers" in reference to people who are unable to get weapons locked behind a ridiculous grind. I don't have Lunas, NF, or Redrix Broadsword. I also haven't achieved any of the titles. All of these things are locked behind the most insane grind/RNG I've ever heard of. I don't have the kind of time required to invest into any of those rewards. Good for you if you do, but many don't. If someone has the money to pay another person with that kind of time, who are you to judge? Besides, Bungie doesn't care about cheaters or Terms of Service. That's a proven fact.
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Lost me at "gamer culture". Its a videogame I like to play when I get off work, stop reading Into it so much
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Who the hell ever said that a paid service to have someone else do your grind is how the "gamer culture" developed? MMO culture, maybe.
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3 Replies[quote]but seeing someone taking 400$ for a luna carry service, and getting donations and subs on stream while doing the service thing, f that, pure cringe.[/quote] Only reason, and only time I'd ask for a nerf, is purely because I want to see the reactions of people who paid that price for an [i]in game weapon.[/i] I think the amount of calls into Cry-1-1 would straight shut the forms down. God if only....
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3 RepliesLabels. Why does everyone and everything have to fit in a box or have a label. Anyone who enjoys "gaming" is a gamer. Good or bad, hardcore or casual.
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It's the current culture of instant gratification that's ruining not only gaming life, but real life as well. Persistence, patience, and hard work are values that are rare nowadays. It's not about being a "gamer" or not.
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No, that’s the cheap way out, and I believe a smaller minority actually pays 400 bucks for an attainable weapon. “Gamer” now just means that you play a game, not matter how well or much you do of it. [i]I didn’t really mean to relate being a gamer to communism, but you get the idea.[/i]
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Its what happens when playing a game is no longer something done for fun..... ...and has become something done for status, identity....and, ahem, **income.**
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So true. If I ever get Luna’s, it will be by my own merit. How could I use a ridiculously powerful weapon (on console at least) and not be ashamed at my win streak if I -blam!-ing paid someone to do it?
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It’s tough being a gamer with the subpar games and media hype in today’s industry. They are pushing pay to play hard. All these garbage free games with paid add ons. Eververse gamers.
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Being a Gamer means playing, discussing and having an active interest in the betterment of the industry. Playing games isn't some niche hobby anymore, unlike the olden days. Playing final fantasy once doesn't make you a 'Gamer' any more than saying you hated Deadpool 2 makes you a cinema critic. Everyone plays one game or another and its up to the individual to become invested in the whole of the situation. The term for people who buy every advantage they can get (be it official MTAs or player 'Recoveries') are referred to as 'Whales'. Alternatively: 'Dumbasses'.
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Nothing.
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4 RepliesEdited by RoninPhoenix650: 2/25/2019 2:58:30 PMBeing a gamer has not changed. People confuse being a gamer with playing games. A gamer is someone who min/max characters, and not just for one game. They play many types of games and can go from destiny to fortnite to assassins creed and be good in all of them. A gamer is someone who makes playing games his hobby, that what they do. Not a thing they do with friends or with one game or even for only half an hour a day. This also means it sometimes turns into a sense of elitism where they think they are better than “casuals”. What you are talking about isn’t being done by gamers. It is being done by people. One thing you have to realize is that games are no longer the legend of Zelda oot or goldeneye days when it was seen as a children’s activity. All those kids grew up and kept playing games and it became more and more acceptable to be an adult you likes games. With that came more and more popularity. So yes, more people are taking shortcuts because they don’t have time or want to expend the effort, however the number of people doing so are still much smaller than you’d think. TLDR: When you have 100 million of a thing (players) then 1 million might seem like a lot but it’s still only 1 percent. Edit: Side note, you can also notice that those who go for the generic and frankly lazy insults of the 90’s like “mothers basement” or “fat slob” to describe gamers usually end up being ignored or ridiculed themselves these days. Those stereotypes are fading away now that gaming is becoming more mainstream.
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4 RepliesYou got og gamers. Those that play the game for fun or go to collect on their own discover secrets etc. Then you got snowflake gamers. Those that would rather pay someone to get everything for them so they don't have to put in the effort.
